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When I chose my screen name, it was because I recognized that what drove Sulla in his final decade was a wish to restore his Republic to something closer to its original stability. The explanation on my profile page is the same it was over 20 years ago.

"Avoiding Sulla" was the goal I once dreamed of, where men who loved Americanism could band together to overcome the efforts of our ever more bold ruling class to subvert constitutionally based rule into rule by the few. They have done their utmost to divide us through media and educational indoctrination by the stoking of envy, resentment, distrust and treachery -- and they have largely succeeded.

As you view this documentary, take note that at several imminent engagements Sulla tried to obtain rapprochement and comradery from his enemies before defeating them. But the divisions -- begun over envy and grown into power-madness and fear of reprisals -- had gotten too wide.

I wish to point out that Kings and Generals is usually quite on board with the Establishment, causing the few of us here at FR who know this to disregard them.

It would not surprise me that they put this video together solely to brag for their masters, showing how our establishment learned from history how to win by divisiveness, and with this they intend to increase our despair: "There's nothing you can do to stop us now."

However, this documentary really provides us with a good insight as to where we are headed if we cannot find ways not only to get along better than we do, but to actually form a better anti-establishment force that can indeed put us on the road to re-stabilizing America.

In closing, let me remind you "The despot cares not that you love him PROVIDED you don't love each other." -- Tocqueville.

1 posted on 08/03/2025 12:05:37 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla
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SunkenCiv


2 posted on 08/03/2025 12:06:44 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla
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I know you distrust K&G too, but this is remarkable.


3 posted on 08/03/2025 12:08:09 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla
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I’m borrowing that tagline:

“The despot cares not that you love him PROVIDED you don’t love each other.” — Tocqueville


5 posted on 08/03/2025 12:20:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("The despot cares not that you love him PROVIDED you don't love each other." -- Tocqueville)
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The fact that we already have an elite and a government that subverted our liberties the way the current administrative state does strongly suggests that we no longer live in the republic as created by our Founders.

It's not simply their nefarious plans that are causing the divisiveness: that divisiveness is fed by the self-aggrandizement of the elite that impoverishes the American middle class, much as the outrageous monopolization of wealth and theft of the ager publicus by the Senatorial class gave an opportunity to men of ambition to take control of the military and fight the Senate, ultimately culminating in the military dictatorship known as the Principate.

The irony in Sulla's case was that he was a conservative revolutionary who not only limited or removed offices abused by the populares like the tribunates but who put the fear of the gods or the mos maiorum back into the Senatorial class by executing and seizing the property of hordes of Senators. Then he voluntarily gave it all up and retired.

Trump is, in a way, our Sulla: a conservative revolutionary trying to undo much of the past 60 years of the excesses of the administrative state, but without proscription lists and executions. We'll see if that is sufficient. I doubt that it is.

7 posted on 08/03/2025 12:31:53 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Marking.


9 posted on 08/03/2025 12:38:39 PM PDT by Rummyfan ( In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.👨 )
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Colleen McCullough’s 7 book “Masters of Rome” series covers that period of history quite well, even tough it’s dramatized she does stick mainly to the recorded history. Sulla was something that Hollyweird would love to cover but he is way to much for them to fully cover.


10 posted on 08/03/2025 12:56:55 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: Avoiding_Sulla; SunkenCiv; gundog

Lacking ready money, Sulla spent his youth among Rome’s comedians, actors, lute players, and dancers. During these times on the stage, after initially only singing, he started writing plays, Atellan farces, a kind of crude comedy.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla

Who knows which direction is career would have gone if he’d had a Karl Farbman workstation to write his skits.


19 posted on 08/03/2025 2:16:43 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Was Sulla any worse than Marius? I don’t think so. Marius held the consulship for an unprecedented 7th time. It was after all Marius and his allies who first really slaughtered their political opponents wholesale when Sulla went off to the East. When Sulla came back though, there was hell to pay for that crime.


21 posted on 08/03/2025 2:20:48 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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