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Why Don’t Americans Care More About Rising Disorder?
City Journal ^ | 18 Jul, 2025 | Daniel Di Martino

Posted on 07/19/2025 8:12:17 AM PDT by MtnClimber

A growing culture of Third Worldism—the belief that you’re entitled to use public spaces without any responsibility to care for them—is corroding civic life in cities.

Immigrants from poor countries like my own, Venezuela, often joke that Americans complain too much about “First World problems.” Back home, we don’t worry about microaggressions; we’re too busy figuring out how to put food on the table or stay safe from crime and government censorship.

But here’s the irony: increasingly, Americans aren’t complaining enough about Third World problems. Trash-strewn streets, loud music in public, brazen shoplifting, rising disorder, and a general decline in civility are becoming common in major U.S. cities. In New York, the problem is hard to miss.

Lately, even moderate liberals have joined conservatives in voicing concern. The far Left, in turn, shrugs and says, “Move to the suburbs”—as if this is just how cities are supposed to be.

They’re not. In fact, in Venezuela, we have a name for this disorder-justifying mindset: Third Worldism. It’s not about race, nationality, or even poverty. Third Worldism is the belief that you’re entitled to use public spaces without any responsibility to care for them. It’s the idea that you can do whatever you want, no matter how it affects others—littering without shame, blasting music at fellow citizens, shoplifting, jumping turnstiles, refusing to pay the bus fare, defacing property, and ignoring rules meant to keep the commons usable for everyone.

The attitude behind these behaviors marks the true dividing line between the First and Third World mindset. It isn’t wealth alone that keeps cities livable. It’s culture: the rule of law, cleanliness, safety, and a shared civic compact. When residents uphold these norms, urban cores thrive as centers of prosperity and genuine diversity. When the compact breaks down, the result is social collapse and segregation.

I’ve been struck by how this compact has broken down in New York City. Around the world, Gotham is seen as the ultimate symbol of First World success. Yes, it’s crowded and messy in the way big cities are—but it has worked. Until recently, most people followed the rules well enough to make life functional for the millions who share these tight spaces. The subway, the streets, and the parks belonged to everyone because there were legal and unspoken limits on how to use them.

Today, acknowledgment of those limits is waning. Lawmakers effectively decriminalized shoplifting, and retailers have closed down stores or locked up products behind glass in response. Streets and subways have become dirtier and more dangerous. Panhandling and aggressive behavior go unchecked. Neighborhoods are forced to accept encampments or unsafe shelters. Heroes who save strangers in public transit, like Daniel Penny, face bogus charges while criminals go free.

I remember seeing Columbia University students jump the turnstiles at the 116th Street subway station. They did it not because they were poor but because they were entitled, and because it was socially acceptable. The one time I politely stood up to someone violating social customs on the subway—a middle-aged woman playing loud videos on her phone—she threatened to kill me.

Though an immigrant myself, I’ll admit it: the recent migrant crisis has made these problems worse. Not all immigrants are the same. Before the Biden administration’s border surge, Venezuelans arriving here were mostly middle-class professionals escaping socialist devastation. They saved money, planned their moves carefully, and observed the cultural norms that make living in a First World society possible.

But the recent wave of migrants—most arriving illegally—lacked that same preparation or willingness to assimilate. I’ve seen this difference firsthand in New York City shelters, where groups of young men from Venezuela fight among themselves. It pains me to say it about my compatriots, but they’re importing the same social habits that helped wreck our native country.

The point is not to oppose immigration but to demand more selective immigration policies and stronger enforcement of civic norms, for newcomers and native-born Americans alike. After all, many of the worst violations of public order are committed not by immigrants but by native-born citizens.

Third Worldism thrives when rules aren’t enforced—when stealing isn’t punished, streets aren’t cleaned, litterers aren’t fined, and no one says “stop.” To allow these behaviors isn’t compassion. The people who suffer most when public order breaks down are the poorest residents who can’t afford to move away, the small business owners whose businesses die, and the transit riders who must endure harassment and unsafe situations because they can’t afford to own a vehicle.

If America wants to remain a First World country, it must take seriously the habits and values that make “First World problems” possible in the first place. We should aspire to live in a society where people’s biggest complaints are petty and privileged—because that means that their basic needs are being met. To get there, we must reject Third Worldism.

That means governments must enforce public rules, and so must we. It means restoring consequences, legal and social, for antisocial behavior. It means expecting newcomers to adopt long-established American norms, not reshape them for the worse. And it means rejecting the cultural relativism that excuses bad behavior in the name of empathy or diversity.

I came to America for the rule of law, safety, freedom, and opportunity. If those disappear, what’s left to distinguish us from the places that people like me fled?


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: anarchotyranny; andrewcuomo; culture; curtissliwa; defundthepolice; dystopia; ericadams; immigration; kathyhochul; lawlessness; littering; lowtrustsociety; newyork; newyorkcity; secondworld; thirdworldism; trash; zohranmamdani
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To: PeterPrinciple

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81 posted on 07/19/2025 9:07:27 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by 🙏 the prophesies set before you." ) I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite warriors. 10.5.6.5 These Days)
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To: GOPJ
Muslim cultures 'over care' about family . . .

Actually, Muslims don't really care about family, either. Their whole value system is based on *respect*. We had a professor from one of the Israeli universities (who taught a lot of Muslims) come to our church once. He said that while Christians talk of the Love of God, Muslims talk about the *respect* due Allah. Allah can be arbitrary, capricious, and cruel, and that's okay because he has the power and being any of these is just a sign of that power - and hence proof that he must be respected.

That extends to all Muslims (at least, the men) and that's why "honor" killings abound. There is no love or respect of family members, only the respect with which those they know hold the family (and specifically, the father).

This was discussed further in the excellent book, "Seeking Allah and Finding Jesus" by Nabeel Quareshi. One of his comments was that Muslims consider it disrespectful to do their own research into what the Qu'ran actually says (they do memorize sections of the Qu'ran without even knowing what they are actually reciting) or the Hadiths. To do their own research implies the Imam might be wrong in what he tells them and so is disrespectful of the Imam and the mosque in which he preaches.

One last thing on that: Quareshi said that in the Muslim culture there is no loss of respect from lying or cheating, or stealing from others. There is only loss of respect if you get caught. That applies specifically to the original premise of the article, that of trashing public spaces or violating public norms. If you don't get caught you did a good thing, and once the trash is on the street, it's not your problem any more.
82 posted on 07/20/2025 5:03:58 AM PDT by Phlyer
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To: MtnClimber

At this point ALL IMMIGRATION NEEDS TO STOP FOR 100 YEARS.


83 posted on 07/20/2025 5:06:37 AM PDT by central_va (The I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: No name given

When you import goods made in the 3rd world you import the 3rd world standard of living.


84 posted on 07/20/2025 5:08:31 AM PDT by central_va (The I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: MtnClimber

I lived through the 70s. Cities are going back to the 70s. Cities are run down pieces of shit covered dystopian hog pens.


85 posted on 07/20/2025 5:12:01 AM PDT by central_va (The I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: GOPJ

The BIG Bad we face is growing national debt and inability to pay obligations such as social security and medicare without further increasing the debt.

Solution?
1) We must grow the economy so the debt is a smaller percentage of the total.
2) We must not create any new PONZI schemes... and that is exactly what Social Security and Medicare are...PONZI schemes.
3) We must not extend the current PONZI schemes to immigrants...to new constituencies.

4) Do we cut benefits to those already in the PONZI scheme?
5) How much of WASTE, FRAUD, ABUSE and non-WFA programs can we cut to avoid an impossible total debt?


86 posted on 07/20/2025 6:46:05 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: GOPJ

Thanks for your kind comment. The picture was in Life Magazine and it should be in the old family photo box, my sister has custody of it. Uncle used to take me into the White House to wander around, he could go anywhere. We virtually bumped into Daddy Bush and two cabinet members at a hallway intersection one day, they just smiled, nodded and kept walking. Uncle’s last position was Consul General to Genoa, Italy. Consul Generals are all Spooks of course, conduits for “quiet” communications, etc.


87 posted on 07/20/2025 7:09:21 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Uncle used to take me into the White House to wander around, he could go anywhere. We virtually bumped into Daddy Bush and two cabinet members at a hallway intersection one day, they just smiled, nodded and kept walking. Uncle’s last position was Consul General to Genoa, Italy. Consul Generals are all Spooks of course, conduits for “quiet” communications...

Great story - again thanks for sharing... cool childhood memories. You are blessed Saxxon.

88 posted on 07/20/2025 8:09:17 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats judge themselves by their 'intentions' NOT by their results. It's one reason they fail.)
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To: spintreebob
Again, interesting - and I agree with much - disagree with a little. Our debt is not a small deal - and lots of our enemies are poised to take advantage if they can jump into a worst case scenario. Speaking of national debt - Warren Buffett's group is dumping a lot of bank stocks...

That said, I feel our best chance is to stick with Trump, go with tariffs but start at a lower rate and bring them up as a 'factor of' something or other... to not spook markets. Thanks for the reply...

89 posted on 07/20/2025 8:24:51 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats judge themselves by their 'intentions' NOT by their results. It's one reason they fail.)
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To: Phlyer
I agree with much of what you're saying... and still stand by what I said - - Muslims 'over care' about family. It even shows up in their language - words for family members are much more precise. Like Eskimos' have 30 or more words for 'snow' based on different types of snow (heavy wet to dry to...etc )Because snow has more impact on their culture.

Language can be a tip off.

We're missing each other because our terms aren't defined the same way. Happens. I enjoyed your comments and agree with most. --

90 posted on 07/20/2025 8:38:08 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats judge themselves by their 'intentions' NOT by their results. It's one reason they fail.)
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To: GOPJ

Thank you, very kind and yes I have been very blessed. I’ve had a LOT of unusual and very good experiences and I still get to do a lot of what inspires me, so far. Clock is running though. Hope you find happy adventures to excite your life!


91 posted on 07/20/2025 2:10:03 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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