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Why Don’t Americans Care More About Rising Disorder?
City Journal ^ | 18 Jul, 2025 | Daniel Di Martino

Posted on 07/19/2025 8:12:17 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: MtnClimber

I think Americans do care, but we also know that there’s simply not much any one of us can individually do anything about it.


61 posted on 07/19/2025 10:21:05 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: GOPJ

“There’s a huge differene between people who come here legally and people who don’t.”

I had an uncle who took the very expensive (for his father) week-long boat ride over from Italy at 16, only to be sent back because he had Pink Eye. Grandpa got to pay for 3 extra crossings due to that and did, how I don’t know, he was just a chef. Uncle John spoke Italian, French, German and English and was drafted and put in intelligence during WWII which became his career as a State Dept Spook. When the Prime Minister of Italy visited President Kennedy, Uncle John was the interpreter, complete with a photo in the Oval Office of him with both leaders. It was quite exciting.


62 posted on 07/19/2025 10:21:58 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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To: MtnClimber
Back in May you posted this....

the second world - a tour of "you don't wanna go there"
bad cattitude ^ | 3 May, 2025 | EL GATO MALO (The Bad Cat)

Posted on 5/5/2025, 10:33:06 AM by MtnClimber

 

Very informative article on how countries go from third world status to first world.  And once there, they can easily devolve into a second world status.

63 posted on 07/19/2025 10:23:13 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Import the third world. Become the third world.)
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To: GOPJ

‘waits in line’ is different than a person who pushes their way to the front.

Sorry to bust your bubble: Consistently for my 81 years most immigrants come here “illegally” and then apply for papers to stay here. That is because the immigration system is broken and nobody can agree on how to fix it. And many refuse to admit that it is broken.

Tourists come to the US..start work at a job ... and then apply for H1b.

Illegals come here, marry a legal, or have birthright children and then use that as reasons to apply to be here legally.

Immigrants come to Canada and obtain Canadian Citizenship. Then they go to work in the US. Canada is happy to take the middle man fee, knowing full well many of the immigrants they accept will live and work in the US and not in Canada.

Satyam scams are numerous. Multiple people working on one H1b. Non-working spouse sharing a H1b with a “cousin” who is working.

Many games to play. The problem is that nobody really wants to face all the different ways. If one way is made more difficult it just puts pressure on the less difficult way to expand.


64 posted on 07/19/2025 10:27:13 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: GOPJ

‘waits in line’ is different than a person who pushes their way to the front.

Sorry to bust your bubble: Consistently for my 81 years most immigrants come here “illegally” and then apply for papers to stay here. That is because the immigration system is broken and nobody can agree on how to fix it. And many refuse to admit that it is broken.

Tourists come to the US..start work at a job ... and then apply for H1b.

Illegals come here, marry a legal, or have birthright children and then use that as reasons to apply to be here legally.

Immigrants come to Canada and obtain Canadian Citizenship. Then they go to work in the US. Canada is happy to take the middle man fee, knowing full well many of the immigrants they accept will live and work in the US and not in Canada.

Satyam scams are numerous. Multiple people working on one H1b. Non-working spouse sharing a H1b with a “cousin” who is working.

Many games to play. The problem is that nobody really wants to face all the different ways. If one way is made more difficult it just puts pressure on the less difficult way to expand.


65 posted on 07/19/2025 10:27:15 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: MtnClimber

“Why Don’t Americans Care More About Rising Disorder?”

As long as it’s confined to filthy democrat cities I couldn’t care less. Actually, it’s rather amusing!😎


66 posted on 07/19/2025 10:34:39 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: No name given

Import the third world, become the third world.

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Import the third world, become the SECOND world.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/explain-what-a-second-world-na-f06Ipju5Tu2uWSDot3Uy4g

The “Second World” Redefined (el gato malo’s Perspective)
According to the article by el gato malo, the idea of a Second World nation should be re-examined far beyond the Cold War context:

Not an “In-Between” Stage: Unlike popular belief, the “second world” is not a developmental midway between third and first world statuses.

Post-Prosperity Decline: It’s described as a decline after reaching first world status—a kind of societal or structural senescence where advanced systems fall into decay due to changes in values, trust, or competence.

Structural Trap: Second World conditions arise when formerly high-functioning, well-organized institutions and infrastructure—designed for a high-trust, high-competency society—persist while the population’s ability or willingness to sustain them deteriorates.

Key Features:

Failing or unreliable infrastructure (such as power grids or road networks)

Declining institutional trust and function

Regulation and bureaucracy that inhibit adaptation or repair

High costs with few of the old benefits (high prices, low productivity, crumbling systems)

Social systems—like welfare or regulation—becoming dysfunctional burdens

Out-migration of the most capable, and demographic decline

Example: Puerto Rico
The article uses current-day Puerto Rico as an example, describing rolling blackouts, regulatory choke points, labor shortages, and demographic collapse—signs that systems built for a first-world society become liabilities when social cohesion, trust, and competence erode.


67 posted on 07/19/2025 10:43:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Import the third world. Become the second world.)
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To: MtnClimber

All of this stuff is local.

I drove by the aging hippies on the way out of town today. They line up every Saturday, complaining since the Johnson administration. Then I went to a small town Polish Festival. Everyone is enjoying their plates and beers. They will be dancing into the night.

No disorder in my neck of the woods.


68 posted on 07/19/2025 10:48:07 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Deaf Smith

You KNOW that person voted for socialism? Perhaps they voted for the opposition?

I live in IL and sure as sh¡t did NOT vote for Pritzker. I’ve never voted for a socialist or democrat, yet here I am, stuck in a state run by them because I can’t afford to leave.


69 posted on 07/19/2025 11:12:43 AM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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Rudy's last year as Mayor was 2001.

His "no broken windows" governing philosophy was already expiring under its own weight. There is a tipping point where law enforcement simply sinks under the weight of a muttlage populace. And everywhere outside of Wall Street and parts of midtown to the Park, NYC is essentially an extensive, expensive, multi-tentacled ghetto.

There are so, so many companies from the beginning of TrumpI that have retrenched to Boston, DFW, the Nash, and not one of those places has NYC's rotten apple core problems.

70 posted on 07/19/2025 11:21:50 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: StAnDeliver

His "no broken windows" governing philosophy was already expiring under its own weight.

Rudy literally cleaned up the city. It was Gotham in the '70s and the '80s.

71 posted on 07/19/2025 11:26:30 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes, I remember that article very well.


72 posted on 07/19/2025 11:45:17 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: OldArmy52

I disagree...police and courts are an after-thought.

When we are taught in the home and childhood contacts a religious or ethical system, most of us accept and try to live in that framework. To be rebellious is to be raised Catholic and attend a Pentecostal church...or to be raised Methodist and attend a Presbyterian church.

A very small number rebel by leaving their upbringing and going aetheist, communist, etc. But they are very few.

2025 with Social Media raising our youth, the experience of the past is mostly irrelevant.


73 posted on 07/19/2025 1:01:49 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: MinorityRepublican
"Rudy literally cleaned up the city. It was Gotham in the '70s and the '80s."

He did, yessir. And then 9/11 caused Shrub to bow to the slimes; walk hand-in-hand with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, the hell-bound sob who funded the madrassas where Bin Laden had his pick of suicidal morons.

Shrub then damn near permitted the Flight 93 Memorial to become a mooselime shrine (a crescent moon of tree with the memorial placed asymmetrically right at the 'star'), until pushback from none other than FR caused National Parks to move the 'star' but maintain the crescent *spit*); and the reason why?

Because Tenet and his shitshow spawn Crapper convinced Shrub that if you give Mooses the belief that they have domain over a place, they won't destroy it.

Our national policy towards slime to this day is placation, and the instead is that it will lead to hand-to-hand combat when the balloon goes up, in our lifetime.

74 posted on 07/19/2025 2:30:08 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: GOPJ

GREAT POST

I have both a question and a statement.

Where did you obtain the info in bolded black lettering?

Thanks for the encouraging update on decreasing crime where ICE is taking the battle to the streets, as I live not too far from DC.


75 posted on 07/19/2025 5:46:41 PM PDT by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopterw)
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To: GMThrust

Yes!


76 posted on 07/19/2025 6:51:57 PM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: 82nd Bragger

https://www.city-journal.org/article/third-worldism-entitlement-disorder-american-cities

For the comment in bold type...around third paragraph or so...


77 posted on 07/19/2025 8:16:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats judge themselves by their 'intentions' NOT by their results. It's one reason they fail.)
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To: spintreebob

The bad that has happened can be undone just as it was done.

Did you notice how quickly Trump closed the border? Less than 6 months.


78 posted on 07/19/2025 8:19:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats judge themselves by their 'intentions' NOT by their results. It's one reason they fail.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
had an uncle who took the very expensive (for his father) week-long boat ride over from Italy at 16, only to be sent back because he had Pink Eye. Grandpa got to pay for 3 extra crossings due to that and did, how I don’t know, he was just a chef. Uncle John spoke Italian, French, German and English and was drafted and put in intelligence during WWII which became his career as a State Dept Spook. When the Prime Minister of Italy visited President Kennedy, Uncle John was the interpreter, complete with a photo in the Oval Office of him with both leaders. It was quite exciting.

That's a really cool family story. I hope you have a copy of the picture for kids and grandkids, brothers and sisters and maybe freepers some day.

79 posted on 07/19/2025 8:28:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats judge themselves by their 'intentions' NOT by their results. It's one reason they fail.)
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To: Phlyer
...(all claiming descent from Abraham), and the access to markets, jobs, etc. is essentially the same. The difference is culture, and in particular the way in which public spaces are treated. We saw this in other areas of Israel as well, not just in Jerusalem. It can be called a Third World problem, but it's really independent of country or "World" or the wealth of the people. It's all about culture. ...

Reminds me of Margart Mead's "Growing Up in New Guinea" - she researched how the young in that culture - so free happy and giving could turn into the 'old' in that culture - people who are opposite... Turned out when the happy young married they were given massive wedding debt that took years to pay off and turned them into grouchy selfish old citizens. Muslim cultures 'over care' about family and "under care" about their fellow citizens. I believe it's a survival thing as many cultural choices are. You're observations are correct...

80 posted on 07/19/2025 8:50:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats judge themselves by their 'intentions' NOT by their results. It's one reason they fail.)
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