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To: ConservativeMind

Great question. Gentiles (Christians) were grafted in. The graft cannot destroy the root or the tree would die. If the Covenants with Jews were dissolved, what makes Christians think their covenant with God will survive? See what I an getting at?


4 posted on 07/03/2025 5:52:32 PM PDT by Judge Bean
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No I don’t and I’m not near the thumper scholars here are


6 posted on 07/03/2025 5:56:57 PM PDT by wardaddy ( The Blob must be bled dry)
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To: Judge Bean
Jews who deny Christ are broken branches. They have nothing to do with the root, which are the Jews of ancient times who followed God.

Broken branches can be grafted back. But a broken branch cannot rely on the Old Covenant. Only the New Covenant will graft them back.

7 posted on 07/03/2025 5:58:16 PM PDT by Angelino97
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Luke 22:16-20 - The Covenant is everlasting:
For I say to you, that from this time I will not eat it, till it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. And having taken the chalice, he gave thanks, and said: Take, and divide it among you: For I say to you, that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, till the kingdom of God come. And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.


47 posted on 07/03/2025 10:46:20 PM PDT by LilOlLady
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The Old Covenant explains why God gave us His New Covenant - and included every soul ever born and that will be born.

I consider myself a Christian, but I can’t help but note that some of our most intelligent Founders were Deists vs, Christians - belief in a Higher Power was more important to them than the semantics of of the Bible’s rewritten/edited/reinterpreted, oft misquoted and misunderstood status.


69 posted on 07/04/2025 7:48:53 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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I would note that the Judaism of today and Christianity are sister religions derived from the root that is 2nd temple Judaism.

2nd temple Judaism had many sects
1. sadduccees who kept only the Pentateuch and rejected everything else
2. Pharisees who had the entire what we call the Old testament plus the oral torah (which was discussed and written down in the 9th century as the Talmud)
3. Jesus movement Jews who had the additional Gospel and NT writings.

When the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, all the sects except Jesus movement , were destroyed as they were intrinsically tied to the temple.

Then, Rabbi Yohannan Ben Zakkai, a Pharisees scholar, created rabbinical Judaism by rejecting the Septuagint (as that was used by the Jesus movement), replacing temple-priests-animal sacrifice with synagogue rabbi and todah.

So they aren’t quite the same as 2nd temple Judaism, which itself was quite diverse.


137 posted on 07/07/2025 3:06:22 AM PDT by Cronos
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