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To: Jim W N
“The southern states had seceded from the Union and the Union won the war to force them back as part of the USA.”

One problem with that argument is the conventional northern wisdom - backed up by an ex post facto ruling by the U.S. Supreme court - that the southern states did not secede.

No stars from the U.S. flag were ever removed signifying secession of the southern states.

14 posted on 06/04/2025 10:05:36 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

Well a Southern Confederate gov’t set up and a four-year, very bloody war waged that said that the South had removed itself from and was the enemy of the USA regardless of a legal issue the Supreme Court may have had later.

Under those circumstances, I think the South’s consent was not necessary for those Post-Civil-War Reconstruction Amendments.


15 posted on 06/04/2025 10:12:34 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: jeffersondem
No stars from the U.S. flag were ever removed signifying secession of the southern states.

At first glance that seems persuasive, however, a lot of fine people fought and died under the Stars and Bars.

17 posted on 06/04/2025 10:43:09 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Plague, war, famine, and societal collapse have all been used in the Left's anti-God agenda.)
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To: jeffersondem

The Federal government at the time, while obviously asserting that the confederate states did not have the right to secede, certainly (when convenient, of course) proceeded as if they actually had seceded. Technically, for example, if these states had not seceded it would have been difficult to maintain a proper quorum in the House and Senate without the presence of southern congressmen and senators. Also, in international law, a blockade is an action that an independent nation imposed on another one - yet the US government certainly imposed a blockade on the CSA and expected other nations to honor that blockade. Finally, the Constitution prohibits the creation of new states from the territory of old onws without consent of the state legislature involved. The creation of West Virginia from Virginian territory would seem to be unconstitutional unless it were recognized that Virginia was no longer part of the USA, and hence that constitutional prohibition did not apply.


19 posted on 06/04/2025 10:55:20 AM PDT by stremba
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