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To: Jonty30
He was willing to negotiate in 2014. We rebuffed him

Sure, AFTER Putin had already seized and annexed Crimea from Ukraine. The last time this happened in Europe, was during WW2.

surrounded by hostile Western countries.

Your ridiculously arguing that EVERY NATO nation would vote to invade a nuclear armed Russia, which has the #2 military in the world. Seriously?

Putin himself said he HAD NO ISSUES WITH FINLAND JOINING NATO. Why, if NATO is "surrounding" Putin?

24 posted on 06/03/2025 10:16:31 AM PDT by tlozo
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To: tlozo

Even Obama was convinced that Crimea belonged to Russia. However, having said that, that was still the time to talk to Russia about what needs to be done so they don’t go imperialistic.

I am arguing that NATO was eventually planning on invading Russia, yes. You don’t expand towards Russia and militarize for no reason. The only reason to do that was because you were planning on eventually doing a blitzkrieg on Russia and get it done as quickly as possible. There is no other reason for why the West pushed NATO eastward. No other reason exists.


26 posted on 06/03/2025 10:20:00 AM PDT by Jonty30 (I have invented a pen that can write underwater. And other words. )
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