Posted on 05/29/2025 4:50:52 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
President Donald Trump has had a simple and bold plan to win the peace in the brutal war between Russia and Ukraine.
In my opinion, Trump knew getting President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians to negotiate was never going to be the problem.
But Russian President Vladimir Putin would be.
So Trump seemingly castigated the Ukrainians at the very same time he extended a very welcoming hand to Putin, a nonthreatening and nonjudgmental one at that.
Trump's maneuver was a brilliant one, including a peace deal that would start with both sides agreeing to an immediate ceasefire.
As expected, Zelenskyy quickly signed on.
At Trump's demand, the Ukrainians even gave away a big chunk of their national wealth in a minerals deal with the U.S.
Putin has talked a good game and still does.
While Trump and Zelenskyy have taken concrete steps toward peace, Russia has actually stepped up its attacks against Ukraine.
This past weekend, Russian forces have undertaken one of their largest combined drone and missile strikes since the invasion began in February of 2022.
The recent attacks, largely targeting civilian centers, have included nine Kh-101 cruise missiles and a record 355 Shahed-type attack drones.
Putin's ongoing attacks have contributed to the wider toll of the war on Ukraine, which has seen hundreds of thousands of casualties, millions displaced and significant damage to the nation's civilian infrastructure.
Russia's own toll has been enormous, with estimates of total Russians killed and wounded around 1 million men.
With his proposals, Trump had offered Putin a relatively easy off-ramp from his apparent suicidal mission.
But the Russian leader doesn't want a deal.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
I'm saying that you are intentional employing the deceitful tactic of exaggerating dangers / the likelihood of danger in an attempt to paralyze your listeners with fear.
It is a bad-faith argument!
In the 1950s and 60s, it was your ilk who preached appeasement of the Soviets at all cost.
"Sure, give them West Berlin, too - anything to avoid a nuclear confrontation!"
"Better allow the Soviets to station their missiles on Cuba - after all, they might otherwise get angry with us, and make us cry!"
Regards,
Unfortunately, you are not giving consideration to the unique Russian psyche. The willingness to suffer. In part, the need to suffer. The yearning for a "strongman" leader.
Remember also that Putin has been selectively conscripting from rural areas where non-Russian ethnicities predominate and life is cheap (meaning: the millions of rubles in compensation they receive for a dead son help them sleep at night). Up until now, the populations of Moscow and St. Petersburg have been largely spared. Sadly, a lot of the better-educated urban Russians (like my in-laws) have compartmentalized, minimized, rationalized, and otherwise refused to accept the reality of what is happening - or, at least, that it could happen to them.
Regards,
The Horror of a Nuke War is worthy of fear. Even a Non-Nuke war would be a horror show. We do not need a WW III—over what? Did we attack China when they invaded peaceful Tibet? Are we willing to risk the USA for Donbass Ukraine—a place that doesn’t want to be part of Ukraine anymore? There are many things worth dying for—this isn’t one of them. I say No to war. Lots of people get rich on war and when USA is gone, they will live in some other land—They are “Citizens of the World” like Soros.
Tell that to the thousands of maimed and murdered Ukrainian women and children targeted by Putin's rocket-bombs!
Regards,
The very fact that Kiev is still standing and not burned to the ground means Putin isn’t targeting the city. The few civilian deaths is also a testament to Russian desire to not rack up civilian deaths. If Russia wanted, he could have made Kiev into a city of ruins. Many of the civilian strikes are from drones knocked out by anti drone measures, and falling to earth in many randome places. It is a horror show—true. It is war. I don’t want to see Americans having to live under threat of attack. As my Hippie friends once chanted; “Give Peace a chance!”
3+ years later, less territory than 2022, no “SVO” objectives meet, 21%+++ interest rates, 10%+++ inflation, dependent on China, NK, and Iran for munitions, equipment, manpower, MIC and infrastructure attacked daily…..
“Super Power”😂
““Super Power”😂”
If Russia is doing so bad, then why are the Neocons PANICKING to the point of having Germany send missiles into Moscow, which will almost certainly result in a response hitting NATO soil?
If Russia was in such bad shape, it seems to me that the Neocons should instead sit back and wait until Russia COLLAPSES in some way...yet they’re willing to risk having Russian missiles detonate on their own soil. What’s the hurry?
Likewise, why do the Neocons have their Ukrainian Puppet DEMANDING to see Russian negotiating terms days before the peace talks? Obviously I know the answer, but it will be fun to hear your side try to spin it.
The fallacy you're committing is often referred to as the relative privation fallacy (Latin: "fallacia relativa privationis"), also known as the "not as bad" as fallacy or an "appeal to worse problems."
You are dismissing the death and destruction caused by Putin's invasion and attack by saying "Well, it could be worse!", implying that since the situation could be more severe, it shouldn't be considered problematic.
The underlying flaw is that the existence of greater wrongs does not negate the issue being criticized — rather, it still stands as a problem on its own merits.
Such twisted reasoning is not worthy of a true American patriot! I implore you to reconsider your position and acknowledge that Putin is a war criminal.
Regards,
lol, no need your spin was sufficient for both of us.
You are right, this was obviously where Russia expected to be 3+ years into his SVO😎
Is Putin a “strong man” YES, is he a monster—not by the standards of the Russian People. But then they call Ivan the Terrible a great leader. The core of my argument is World War should be avoided at all costs. Trump agrees with me—the weapons are too terrible to even think of a confrontation. I, and many others, believe it isn’t worth it—just as it wasn’t worth war to save Tibet from China.
Do you want war with Russia? Are you a fool? Or do you think Russia would be a push over and the war would be only six weeks long. A few “Shock and Awe” attacks and the Russians would give up like Saddam’s men did in the gulf War? Facing a cabal of states in such a World War—we might even lose. Most of our kids are fat and out of shape. Illegals would not fight. Its just too risky. The Donbass is not worth a single American life let alone an American City.
“You are right, this was obviously where Russia expected to be 3+ years into his SVO😎”
I looked, cannot find a link as to ANY timetable for this war. Perhaps you can. The best that I can do is agree with you, but only if the war was being waged against Ukraine, rather than NATO. Once it became a war against NATO, then I doubt Russia had any thoughts of it ending quickly.
Let me see if I understand you. No timetable, but it would have been over sooner if NATO had just kept their noses out of Russia’s invasion of a sovereign country?
Sound about right?
“Let me see if I understand you. No timetable, but it would have been over sooner if NATO had just kept their noses out of Russia’s invasion of a sovereign country?”
Just change the last two words with “Neocon Client State”.
Yes neocons invaded Ukraine not Russia
Thanks for the answer
“Yes neocons invaded Ukraine not Russia”
Effectively, glad to see you’re finally on board.
Thanks!
So putin is part of the neocon cabal, now it all makes sense😎
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