Posted on 05/27/2025 6:35:21 PM PDT by vespa300
They forbade the Sabbath of the Old Law because it was not binding on Christians. Any Christians that were holding fast to it were doing so in error.
What is your source on this? And yes, you are correct that Constantine issued his edict as a means to keep unity in his empire by making Sunday the Lord's day a civil law. But this was a civil and a religious law in collaboration with Rome. This was an unholy mixture of pagan and papal brew to keep the natives pacified. By combining the Sol Invictus cult AND Christianity together, you have a larger audience with more lucre for the Church coffers.
Satan is the ruler of this world and can offer money and power to achieve his goals and he hit a homerun here. James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. Brilliant. And the whole world follows Rome.
They were in Romes error not Gods. They were following the Word of God and not "he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws".
The hour is late and time is running out. “How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if the Pope, follow him.”
"Rome" isn't the point of discussion here. Nobody here has proved what was originally asserted: that a Pope changed the Sabbath. Why can't you people stay on topic? Never mind: I think I know.
The hour is late and time is running out. “How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if the Pope, follow him.”
No one here has provided any proof a Pope "changed" the Sabbath, which was my original objection. You'd better just go to bed.
So if there was a Pope at that time he didn't want to get his hands dirty but it was a bishop, council or Church representative. In other words - ROME. And obviously you don't really want an answer, you just want to argue. You didn't read your own literature vespa linked to about "RomesChallenge", did you? Never mind: I think I know.
My original response was to another poster and he made the false assertion about an imaginary Pope. THIS is what he said and what I was responding to:
"Either they are in a cult where their human leaders think they can change the 10 commandments ie the papacy.."
So if it was "the papacy", which Pope did it? That was my question to his assertion. Still unanswered, by the way.
And obviously you don't really want an answer, you just want to argue. You didn't read your own literature vespa linked to about "RomesChallenge", did you? Never mind: I think I know.
I'm too old and experienced at this to get get baited into a quagmire with multiple anti-Catholics bringing up multiple topics and linking to long, mostly irrelevant sources. I've seen it all. If you know the name of the Pope who changed the Sabbath. tell us, If not, go to bed before you hurt yourself.
_____Jesus never once said to worship on a Sabbath. He did away with the law of Moses.____
The sabbath predates sin. And Jesus said it was made for man, not one jot will change.....etc. etc. etc. etc.....So why all the fuss about the 10 commandments then?
None of you make sense. And this Democrat in the video caught you.
_____So if it was “the papacy”, which Pope did it? That was my question to his assertion. Still unanswered, by the way.____
So you don’t agree with your own church that your own church changed the holy day of rest?
_____By this time, the Sunday Lord’s Day was well established by Christians, in fact, from New Testament times.____
A single text from the Bible that shows the Seventh day Sabbath commandment in stone was changed. And a lunch by the disciples on the first day don’t count. That’s laughable and you know it. Even Rome’s challenge, YOUR OWN CHURCH mocks that assertion.
just one text.....show me.
_____I’ve seen it all. If you know the name of the Pope who changed the Sabbath. tell us, If not, go to bed before you hurt yourself.____
Your church has historically held it changed the holy sabbath by virtue of it’s authority. And the papacy, the pope, NATURALLY as the head of the church would be the one who is in charge. What do you think......some priest in Timbuktoo did it?
Gimmie a break. Your in denial. You don’t even know your own church history and her claims. Have ever read Keenan’s catechism? Let me quote it for you.....
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174
Sure! Just as soon as you answer my question (still unanswered) on which Pope changed the Sabbath as you flatly asserted. If it's a historical fact and not just anti-Catholic propaganda, it shouldn't be that hard. Or, you can just be honest and admit you have no proof.
This is getting tedious. Anyone following this thread can clearly see you cannot answer my question because your anti-Catholic charges are a pack of lies. Just go to bed and lick your wounds. I’ll see you next time you start spreading anti-Catholic propaganda. Shouldn’t be too long, I’d wager. Have blessed night.
Who knew James Talarico is a Pharisee?
They condemned Christ for performing miracles on the Sabbath, too.
The gift of sabbath rest is for Jews and those gentiles who choose to live under the Law.
Just like any contract, it does not bind those who are not parties to it.
____The gift of sabbath rest is for Jews and those gentiles who choose to live under the Law.
Just like any contract, it does not bind those who are not parties to it._____
How weird to call a “gift” living under law. Is not committing adultery also living under the “law.”
bizarre thinking up here. Another Bible scholar I see. Still hasn’t realized the Sabbath was “made FOR Man” and made at creation before any Jew was around.....brilliant thinking..
____This is getting tedious. Anyone following this thread can clearly see you cannot answer my question because your anti-Catholic charges are a pack of lies.___
Yeah, us and the Protestant Reformers are/were all wrong about who the great whore of babylon is.
You are correct though about the change of the Sabbath to Sunday being found in scripture. There is a text for it. And that text is the prophecy that your church , this whore of babylon, the little horn of Daniel 7 would attempt to change it!
How ironic. Not a single text approving the change or making the change. Just one text showing your counterfeit would attempt to change it. And notice...it says your church shall “INTEND” to change “times and law” Not will...because nobody changes God’s moral law.....including the church of the dark ages, the first beast of revelation 13, the little horn of Daniel...The Roman Catholic church.
Daniel 7:25 describes your church to a T even the time prophecy in it......1260 years.....
Every single characteristic of this anti christ power described in Daniel 7:25 is.....the Papacy. Every one.
Daniel 7:25
New King James Version
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[a] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
“ How weird to call a “gift” living under law”
Take it up with the Author. He calls the Sabbath a “gift”.
And, indeed, the command regarding avoiding marital infidelity is also a gift. It helps grant happiness and harmony in a marriage.
Indeed, observing the Law helps grant you a more peaceful life. For example, avoiding envy and coveting helps you avoid strife and theft and unhappiness with your neighbor and helps you appreciate your blessings.
Note, this has nothing to do with salvation. It has to do with living a peaceful life on Earth.
“ How weird to call a “gift” living under law”
____Take it up with the Author. He calls the Sabbath a “gift”.
And, indeed, the command regarding avoiding marital infidelity is also a gift. It helps grant happiness and harmony in a marriage.___
Even more weird. You say Adultery grants happiness then refer to the Seventh day Sabbath as “law” as if it grants “unhappiness” ..A gift to man from God makes a man unhappy?
You folks do more mental gymnastics than democrats. And the democrat in the video nailed all of you.
“ You say Adultery grants happiness”
No, I did not.
You’re reading what is not there. In fact, the opposite.
That's a trick question. The papacy refers to the institution which eventually became the RCC. They probably went centuries before the first Pope office was invented. To name a non-existent person to answer your question is ludicrous.
I'm too old and experienced at this to get get baited into a quagmire
No, you're too stubborn and stiffnecked to follow the Word of God. Your eyes are shut and ears are stopped and you blindly follow your denomination.
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