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Unbelievable!

After decades of glacial progress, Blue Orgin has announced that they'll be landing their Mark 1 Blue Moon lander on the Lunar surface THIS YEAR!

What happens if Jeff Bezos is ready before Elon Musk? 
Surprise! Blue Origin will land on the Moon before SpaceX Starship! | 18:39
The Angry Astronaut | 192K subscribers | 18,354 views | May 25, 2025
Surprise! Blue Origin will land on the Moon before SpaceX Starship! | 18:39 | The Angry Astronaut | 192K subscribers | 18,354 views | May 25, 2025

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0:04·[Music]
0:23·if I'm being honest this is the moment
0:26·where everything changed for me when it
0:28·comes to Blue Origin the moment when a
0:31·company actually has a successful flight
0:34·and in this case a very successful
0:37·flight that earns them a generous
0:40·measure of respect from the angry
0:42·astronaut especially if it was the first
0:45·flight yes it took Blue Origin forever
0:49·to get to this point years and years
0:52·later than they were expecting and yet
0:54·they still insisted on being treated
0:57·like any other company that had already
0:59·reached orbit and were willing to file
1:02·multiple lawsuits to enforce their claim
1:05·i never respected that and I still don't
1:08·but when it comes right down to it Blue
1:10·Origin has finally reached the point to
1:13·where other companies need to be
1:16·respectful of their accomplishments and
1:19·they deserve some contracts at this
1:21·point and they have definitely earned
1:23·some even from the US military but all
1:27·of that having been said one flight of
1:30·their flagship rocket is definitely not
1:33·enough certainly they're not going to
1:35·accomplish the same things that SpaceX
1:37·is going to be accomplishing in the next
1:39·few years especially if we're talking
1:42·about Artemis missions obviously SpaceX
1:45·has a big lead with Starship and we can
1:48·expect Lunar Starship to be landing on
1:50·the lunar surface well before Blue Moon
1:53·does well hold on for a minute because
1:56·it seems that Blue Origin has other
1:59·plans indeed if everything goes the way
2:02·Jeff Bezos plans the first blue moon
2:05·mission will take place this year well
2:08·before lunar starship comes anywhere
2:10·close to cis lunar
2:16·space good morning and welcome to
2:19·another angry bulletin from Manhattan
2:23·New York and uh really looking forward
2:27·to the flight that I'm about to take
2:29·that's going to take me back to London
2:32·back to the UK the place where at least
2:34·most of the time I like to call home
2:37·although really I end up traveling all
2:39·over the world it's tough for me to
2:42·determine exactly where I live on a
2:44·permanent basis but still plan to be in
2:47·the UK for several months at least in
2:50·the meantime we need to talk about Blue
2:53·Origin a topic that usually goes
2:56·handinhand with harsh criticism on this
2:59·channel i've been rather vicious and
3:02·ruthless when it comes to criticizing
3:05·Jeff Bezos and his stepbystep
3:08·ferociously policy which has generally
3:11·meant stepbystep and doing nothing
3:14·however that's changed lately my
3:17·philosophy always is show me something
3:21·impressive and my opinion about you
3:24·folks might change and that applied to
3:27·SLS i was just nonstop criticizing SLS
3:32·until actually managed to toss the Orion
3:36·spacecraft into lunar orbit came back
3:40·without any sort of significant issue
3:43·sure maybe a couple things with the heat
3:44·shield but overall it was close to
3:47·flawless on the first flight it's
3:50·impressive and certainly deserves at
3:52·least some respect and that is the case
3:56·with New Glenn as well in spite of the
3:58·enormous time that elapsed before this
4:01·rocket finally took flight didn't just
4:04·reach orbit actually reached a pretty
4:07·aggressive orbit with a very high
4:10·perigan apogee and again I think quite
4:14·impressive for a rocket's first flight
4:17·sure the booster didn't land on the
4:19·first try but that was to be expected i
4:23·would have liked Blue Origin to have
4:24·shown us more details to actually show
4:27·the booster plunging into the ocean or
4:31·attempting to land something along those
4:33·lines but unfortunately up to this point
4:35·we haven't seen much of anything from
4:37·that but one announcement we have gotten
4:41·which is very very impressive from my
4:45·perspective is the notion that Blue
4:47·Origin may be setting the unmanned
4:50·version of their Blue Moonland lander on
4:52·the lunar surface before the end of the
4:54·year that is their stated objective not
4:58·only that they've also rolled out the
5:01·details for their Earth to Moon
5:04·transport that is to say a refueling tug
5:07·essentially that carries fuel to lunar
5:10·orbit rather than doing the refueling in
5:13·Earth orbit and this of course being an
5:16·absolutely crucial part of their whole
5:19·HLS design the ability to refuel in
5:23·lunar orbit before setting down on the
5:26·moon any reusable lunar lander is going
5:29·to have to have that refueling
5:32·capability so what does all of this mean
5:35·is Blue Origin really going to set down
5:38·on the moon this year and if so does
5:41·that mean they may have a humanrated
5:44·spacecraft ready for a lunar mission
5:47·before SpaceX does
5:53·in the course of this video I'm going to
5:55·be quoting extensively from two articles
5:58·one from
6:00·aviationweek.com and the other from
6:02·spacnews.com we'll start off with the
6:05·aviation week article quote Blue Origin
6:08·will attempt to land an uncrrewed
6:10·prototype of its human landing system on
6:13·the moon south pole this year according
6:16·to John Kures senior vice president of
6:18·lunar permanence and this was a
6:20·statement made on May 20th just a few
6:23·days ago the company's HLS is one of two
6:27·in development in partnership with NASA
6:29·to support crude landings on the moon
6:32·under the Aremis program nasa awarded
6:34·the first of two hls flight service
6:38·contracts to SpaceX which plans to use a
6:40·variant of its still in development
6:42·Starship Superheavy system for NASA's
6:45·Aremis 3 and four missions blue Origins
6:49·HLS was tapped for Artemis 5 okay none
6:52·of that is new let's see what else is
6:55·going on blue Origins Mark 1 which is
6:58·slated to launch this year on a
7:00·shakedown mission to the lunar south
7:02·pole is designed to carry nearly 3.9
7:06·tons to any location on the moon's
7:08·surface by contrast the small fleet of
7:11·small robotic landers that NASA is
7:14·backing under its commercial lunar
7:16·payload services contract are designed
7:19·to carry about one ton powered by a
7:22·single liquid oxygen and liquid
7:24·hydrogenfueled BE7 engine the Mark1 will
7:28·launch aboard a Blue Origin New Glenn
7:30·rocket and aim to touch down within 33
7:33·ft of its intended target or 10 m and
7:37·this is according to an announcement
7:38·that Gurus made at the opening day of
7:41·the lunar surface innovation consortium
7:44·conference at the John's Hopkins
7:46·University Applied Physics Lab in
7:48·Maryland assembly of the BE7 flight unit
7:51·is nearly complete and is expected to
7:53·ship out to Johnson Space Center in
7:56·Houston in about 6 weeks for thermal
7:58·vacuum chamber testing quote "Once
8:01·that's done it'll come to Cape Canaveral
8:03·get integrated get encapsulated and then
8:06·launch on New Glenn a few months after
8:08·that." Once again according to Coloris
8:11·in addition to testing technologies and
8:13·operations for future Mark 2 vehicles
8:16·the Mark 1 will host some NASA and
8:19·commercial payloads including a NASA
8:21·awarded experiment to measure BE7 plume
8:25·impingement on the lunar surface very
8:28·important to gain an understanding of
8:30·how much debris and how much regalith a
8:34·rocket engine is going to kick up on the
8:36·lunar surface because really big rocket
8:38·engines could theoretically launch
8:41·debris into lunar orbit which could be
8:44·very hazardous for future missions
8:46·gloris also unveiled an updated design
8:49·for the hls systems transporter module
8:53·the vehicle is designed to launch
8:55·separately on a new Glenn and be
8:57·refueled in low Earth orbit using excess
9:00·propellant from the rocket's upper stage
9:02·the transporter will then travel to
9:04·lunar orbit and refuel an awaiting Blue
9:08·Origin lander ahead of a crew arrival
9:11·via the space launch system and Orion
9:14·capsule so refueling being required here
9:17·both in low Earth orbit and in lunar
9:20·orbit given the fact that the human
9:23·rated blue moonland lander is not nearly
9:25·as massive as lunar starship I suspect
9:29·it's going to require a lot less
9:31·refueling than SpaceX's plans will
9:34·require so the transporter is capable of
9:37·bringing roughly 110 tons from Earth
9:40·orbit to lunar orbit or up to 33 tons to
9:43·Mars orbit and this opens up the solar
9:46·system according to a ground
9:49·demonstration of zero boiloff cryogenic
9:52·propellant storage which is absolutely
9:54·necessary if you're going to be
9:56·refueling things in orbit is underway in
9:59·Washington state where Blue Origin is
10:01·based quote "By June we will be able to
10:04·be showing that we are consistently
10:07·holding cryogenic hydrogen oxygen as
10:10·storeable propellant." That's again
10:12·according to Kurus it will be the first
10:14·time on this scale that we've done this
10:17·by June next month now let me tell you
10:21·something compared to everything that
10:23·Blue Origin has done up to this point
10:25·that is some very aggressive timing now
10:29·although the transporter is not
10:31·necessary for the unmanned version of
10:33·Blue Moon to set down on the lunar
10:35·surface it definitely is for the HLS
10:38·version so let's learn a little bit more
10:41·about it the company provided few
10:44·details about the transporter at the
10:46·time that they won the NASA contract
10:49·$3.4 billion by the way originally the
10:53·transporter was going to be developed by
10:55·other companies that were part of the
10:57·Blue Origin national team but industry
11:00·sources said that Blue Origin has since
11:02·taken over development entirely and I
11:06·think that's a hell of an idea because
11:08·the companies that they were going to be
11:11·collaborating with the old legacy
11:13·companies would have taken forever to
11:15·get this job done quote "This vehicle
11:18·has evolved significantly since we first
11:20·won the contract." This again according
11:22·to Coloris the purpose of the vehicle
11:25·remains to aggregate liquid hydrogen and
11:27·liquid oxygen propellant in Earth orbit
11:30·and then transport it to a near rectal
11:32·linear halo orbit around the moon where
11:35·it will transfer the propellants to the
11:37·blue moon lander to enable it to perform
11:39·a lunar landing the transporter will be
11:42·launched into low Earth orbit on a new
11:44·Glenn rocket and then fueled using
11:46·excess propellant from the new Glenn
11:48·upper stage as we said before although
11:50·he did not disclose how many refuelings
11:53·would be required it will use tanks 7 m
11:56·in diameter which is the same as the
11:58·upper stage quote instead of doing
12:01·bespoke tanks for individual vehicles
12:03·it's using the same assembly line a key
12:06·enabler for the system is zero boiloff
12:10·technology to prevent losses of
12:12·cryogenic propellants you always hear
12:14·"Wow that's hard to do." And it is hard
12:16·to do he said but he noted that the
12:19·company is making progress on that zero
12:21·boiloff technology that maintains liquid
12:24·hydrogen at 20° Kelvin or 20° C above
12:29·absolute zero and liquid oxygen at 90°
12:32·Kelvin by the way something I've noticed
12:34·about this design it has a sun shield
12:38·absolutely essential to keep propellant
12:41·from boiling off very similar to what
12:43·ULA had in mind for a Centaurbased fuel
12:47·depot so they're definitely putting
12:49·thought into this working with NASA Blue
12:52·Origin has integrated its first
12:54·prototype and put it in a thermal vacuum
12:56·chamber quote "By June we will be
12:59·showing that we are consistently holding
13:01·hydrogen and oxygen as storeable
13:03·propellants and by December we'll start
13:06·our flight units." Once again very
13:08·aggressive timing gloris argued that
13:11·being able to store liquid hydrogen and
13:13·liquid oxygen for extended periods would
13:16·be a breakthrough that propellant
13:17·combination has the highest performance
13:19·of major chemical propulsion systems and
13:22·can be obtained from water on the moon
13:24·or other celestial bodies i completely
13:27·agree with that hydrolocks is much
13:30·easier to access through insitu
13:32·processes especially on the moon than
13:35·methylox is a fully fueled transporter
13:38·can carry about a 100 metric tons as I
13:40·said before from Earth orbit to lunar
13:43·orbit with applications beyond the moon
13:45·as well including that 30 metric tons to
13:48·Mars that we talked about it can open up
13:50·the asteroid belt he said it can open up
13:53·the solar system he didn't offer
13:55·schedules for testing the transporter or
13:58·the blue moon lander during a separate
14:00·panel at the conference on May 20th
14:03·Jackie Cortez senior director of civil
14:06·space said that the company expects to
14:08·conduct both an uncrrewed test landing
14:11·of the Blue Moon Mark II as well as a
14:13·crude landing before the end of the
14:16·decade now is that fast enough for Blue
14:20·Origin to put humans on the moon before
14:22·China does assuming that SpaceX can't
14:25·come through with lunar starship kind of
14:28·hard to tell but it looks like that's
14:30·what they're trying to accomplish blue
14:32·Origin is also building a second Blue
14:35·Moon Mark1 lander about 6 to 8 months
14:38·behind the first quote "We're building
14:40·intentionally now to get hardware rich."
14:43·According to Kuris if the first mission
14:46·is not successful we'll learn from it
14:48·and learn from the objective we
14:50·succeeded in and the ones where we
14:52·didn't succeed in and we'll incorporate
14:54·those into the next vehicle corteiz said
14:57·that the work on the blue moon is in a
14:59·dedicated facility we intend for it to
15:02·be a production line capability she said
15:05·but she did not discuss the projected
15:07·production rate for the lander quote it
15:10·was really important for us to procure
15:12·all hardware for the two Mark1 missions
15:15·years ago citing supply chain challenges
15:18·ideally we'll have a successful first
15:21·mission of Mark 1 incorporate any
15:23·findings and be able to fly again she
15:26·said and if it's not successful we have
15:28·another lander ready to go that was
15:30·something that was really important to
15:32·us but here's the big question is Blue
15:35·Origin going to be able to put an HLS on
15:40·the lunar surface before a SpaceX can
15:43·and if so is that something that NASA
15:46·would actually entertain especially if
15:48·it looks like lunar starship is starting
15:51·to lag
15:56·behind so of course an obvious question
15:59·remains if Blue Origin does manage to
16:02·pull this off and if they can get their
16:04·humanrated version of Blue Moon ready
16:07·before Lunar Starship is ready are they
16:10·going to be the ones carrying out
16:12·Artemis 3 i mean there's a lot of
16:14·contractual obligations a lot of
16:16·commitments that NASA has made that's
16:19·going to give SpaceX a pretty strong
16:22·position both legally and otherwise to
16:25·set down on the moon first but if Lunar
16:29·Starship starts running into issues it's
16:31·very possible that Artemis 3 isn't going
16:34·to happen before the end of Trump's
16:37·final years in office and if that
16:40·happens the only chance that Trump may
16:43·have to make that historic phone call to
16:46·astronauts setting down on the moon
16:49·something that was a huge distinction
16:52·for Nixon's administration something I'm
16:55·sure Trump would like to have well Blue
16:58·Origin may turn out to be his only
17:01·alternative and let me tell you
17:03·something regardless of what Elon Musk
17:05·might have done for Trump in the past if
17:08·it's a choice between making that phone
17:11·call and not making that phone call I
17:14·assure you Trump is going to go for the
17:18·first option regardless of whose toes he
17:21·has to step on and from my perspective
17:24·if it comes to beating the Chinese to
17:27·the surface of the moon and establishing
17:29·a permanent presence on the moon before
17:33·China can manage to do it I think that
17:35·stepping on toes may be what's necessary
17:38·and is entirely justified thank you very
17:42·much for watching please don't forget to
17:44·like and subscribe once again looking
17:46·forward to seeing my British viewers
17:49·again i'll be there in less than 24
17:52·hours very excited indeed in the
17:55·meantime please consider supporting this
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18:00·description that's what makes trips like
18:02·this possible and I can't wait to bring
18:06·all of the details from my National
18:09·Archives expedition to you folks that's
18:11·coming to you in a very special live
18:15·stream in a little over 24 hours so get
18:18·ready for that as well and until next
18:20·time stay angry about space
18:26·[Music]

2 posted on 05/26/2025 7:27:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Unbelievable! After decades of glacial progress


Unbelievable because Blue Origin has yet to have a successful launch. The glacial progress will continue ...


9 posted on 05/27/2025 4:02:13 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bfl


13 posted on 05/27/2025 5:15:03 AM PDT by katykelly
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To: SunkenCiv
If BO can continue with successful testing/launches and more importantly stay on schedule. BO should be an integral part of the moon-based programs. These will be to compete with the Chinese for a permanent moon base. BO has little to offer in exo-moon missions.

SpaceX has little need for a moon stepping-stone to Mars if they are successful in an orbital refueler.

16 posted on 05/27/2025 6:34:51 AM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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