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To: Petrosius
And why should there be mention of something that Zelensky has never demanded? First, Russian withdrawal from Ukraine is hardly capitulation. Second, Zelensky has not even demanded this as condition for the end of hostilities.

Patently false. He has said this at various periods throughout the entire conflict.

He has admitted that Ukraine might be forced to accept de facto occupation of Ukrainian territory by Russia.

But he has also said many things that he pulls back from, such as the mineral agreement that was designed to give the U.S. a reason to be involved. When you become known as a person who is prone to lying, it becomes very hard to ever lose that reputation. Putin has no reason to trust anything that Zelenskyy says, or the west for that matter who lied with regards to the Minsk Accords.

How convenient that you ignore that this conflict was the brainchild of those running the Biden Administration & principally people like Victoria Nuland with the goal being to diminish Russia's capabilities and to replace Putin, with no regard of what might replace him.

It wasn't really about saving Ukraine at all. If it were it was a backwards attempt, and there were better ways to advance Ukraine, if that were truly their goal.

It was a geopolitical blunder of epic proportions, and people like you will continue to refuse the truth about this conflict. Even worse, it was yet another failure that not only did not accomplish the goal, but also caused major destruction to Ukraine as well.

46 posted on 05/24/2025 8:31:30 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
When you become known as a person who is prone to lying, it becomes very hard to ever lose that reputation.

Like Putin who has violated the treaty between Ukraine and Russia recognizing Ukraine's borders, or the Budapest memorandum in which Russia again guaranteed Ukraine's borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up it nukes; or when Putin violated the Minsk accords by not withdrawing his forces, by not handing over the border to Ukraine, and by blocking the referendum that Ukraine was planning to conduct in accordance with those accords?

How convenient that you ignore that this conflict was the brainchild of those running the Biden Administration & principally people like Victoria Nuland with the goal being to diminish Russia's capabilities and to replace Putin, with no regard of what might replace him.

Right, the Biden administration planned a conflict that they thought Ukraine would loose in a matter of weeks, in not days; a war in which they initially slow-walk aid to Ukraine lest they offend the Russians. And there would have been no diminishing of Russia's capabilities if Russia had not wasted them by attacking Ukraine in the first place. Stop deflecting who started this war; it was Putin.

52 posted on 05/24/2025 9:18:31 AM PDT by Petrosius
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