Posted on 05/24/2025 5:50:51 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
True, but Graham does like to stir the pot.
Negotiations. That is all military action is. We started it with a biden led coup in ukraine.
Negotiations continue.
Advocating for nuclear war?
I don’t do advocate. I point out . . . an inconvenient truth.
Both those countries have nukes. They have not provided them to Ukraine. So what does this say about their perspective on the matter?
I’ll offer this. They don’t really care about Ukraine existential aspects. Those concern them less than the non Proliferation treaty. Don’t care if that is right or wrong.
It just is clearly true. If Russian troops were in Kiev and tracking down Zelensky and his family and members of Parliament, the UK and France would still not provide nukes.
They value their own capitals more than Ukraine existence — as maybe they should.
You mean like the American Civil War?
Patently false. He has said this at various periods throughout the entire conflict.
He has admitted that Ukraine might be forced to accept de facto occupation of Ukrainian territory by Russia.
But he has also said many things that he pulls back from, such as the mineral agreement that was designed to give the U.S. a reason to be involved. When you become known as a person who is prone to lying, it becomes very hard to ever lose that reputation. Putin has no reason to trust anything that Zelenskyy says, or the west for that matter who lied with regards to the Minsk Accords.
How convenient that you ignore that this conflict was the brainchild of those running the Biden Administration & principally people like Victoria Nuland with the goal being to diminish Russia's capabilities and to replace Putin, with no regard of what might replace him.
It wasn't really about saving Ukraine at all. If it were it was a backwards attempt, and there were better ways to advance Ukraine, if that were truly their goal.
It was a geopolitical blunder of epic proportions, and people like you will continue to refuse the truth about this conflict. Even worse, it was yet another failure that not only did not accomplish the goal, but also caused major destruction to Ukraine as well.
Enough with the Russian nationalist propaganda. This is a war between two separate nations, not a civil war within one.
Apparently not, or it would have already been done.
It doesn’t matter how much oil russia can pump if it can not refine it. Without gas, they cant fuel their army, and without the money generated from the sale of gas they cant pay for their war.
It is really easy to end this war, Ukraine just needs to send 1,000 drones to every oil refinery in Russia and blow them up. War ends.
Horsehockey. Buzz off.
Hope Russia loses and lots of Russian soldiers die.
“Ukraine can keep fighting until the US gives up on them and cuts the funding.”
So which funding haven’t been cut yet ?
Like Putin who has violated the treaty between Ukraine and Russia recognizing Ukraine's borders, or the Budapest memorandum in which Russia again guaranteed Ukraine's borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up it nukes; or when Putin violated the Minsk accords by not withdrawing his forces, by not handing over the border to Ukraine, and by blocking the referendum that Ukraine was planning to conduct in accordance with those accords?
How convenient that you ignore that this conflict was the brainchild of those running the Biden Administration & principally people like Victoria Nuland with the goal being to diminish Russia's capabilities and to replace Putin, with no regard of what might replace him.
Right, the Biden administration planned a conflict that they thought Ukraine would loose in a matter of weeks, in not days; a war in which they initially slow-walk aid to Ukraine lest they offend the Russians. And there would have been no diminishing of Russia's capabilities if Russia had not wasted them by attacking Ukraine in the first place. Stop deflecting who started this war; it was Putin.
Such an erudite and reasoned response.
No, it was started by Victoria Nuland who has wanted for decades to take down Russia. But of course it had to be executed by the Biden Administration, either by Biden himself or whomever was really in control, Obama?
By using the the carrot of NATO membership as far as Ukraine was concerned, and a stick for Putin to fear that NATO would be threatening Russia right at its border, following the execution of a color revolution that eventually was whipped into an insurrection that violently removed the duly elected President of Ukraine.
Putin saw this happen in Ukraine in 2014, and then saw it repeated in 2020 in the U.S., and his worse fears were ignited as he saw that the U.S. was no longer the nation it had been up to that point. That is what started this proxy war. Of course you only want to look at it from the perspective that makes Russia be the bad actor. Because apparently, you cannot handle the truth.
But thanks for proving that you are an immovable person that still believes that Russia is in no way different than the Soviet Union, that was itself seized in a violent revolution & the people of Russia were treated no differently than any of the people under the control of the Soviet Union. The Russian people are enjoying a life that is far more free than they were under the Soviet Union that was ruled by a Georgian who was very brutal to his soul.
You are wrong on so many counts. Russia to day is in no way as horrible as the Iron Fisted communist regime installed in Russia upon the defeat of the Tsar. That communist installed regime went on to create the Soviet Union.
As the Biden Administration moved the U.S. closer to the tyrannical functioning like the communist regime that was that of the Soviet Union.
Meanwhile, most of Europe is way further down the road of tyrannical rule, that mirrors that of the communist regine of the Soviet Union..
What nonsense! It was Ukraine that was begging us to join NATO, not us that was pushing in on Ukraine. And despite Ukraine's desires, we kept saying not yet. NATO membership requires the unanimous support of its members and there a number of them who objected, including Germany. Ukraine was not going to join NATO anytime soon. All we did was say that any country was free to ask for membership.
As for Yanukovych, the protests started after Russia intervened to have him renege on the EU economic agreement, which was supported by 2/3 of the country. It was Putin's interference, not ours, that started this conflict. Nor, despite Russian propaganda, were the protests manufactured by the CIA. They were a popular reaction to Russian interference and Yanukovych's betrayal.
You keep crying about a proxy war. There would be no war at all, and thus no threat to Putin, if Russia had not attacked in the first place. If this were, as you say, a proxy war designed to overthrow Putin, then Putin was a fool to start it.
But thanks for proving that you are an immovable person that still believes that Russia is in no way different than the Soviet Union.
That is not my position. Rather, Putin is trying to recreate not the Soviet Union, but the Russian Empire. Nor is this speculation. Just read what he has written and what is being taught in his military academies. This war is being driven by an imperialistic Russian nationalism. That it the truth that you do not want to admit.
money, weapons, and intelligence.
Tell me again how Putin wants peace and is a really good Christian
I see. Thanks.
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