This number is even bigger, dont know the group or their politics but here is their number.
https://www.truthinaccounting.org/about/our_national_debt
The rest of their numbers are estimates of future debt, based on expert calculations for things like pension liabilities, etc. Or, in other words, obligations that have not been spent.
I'm assuming that the US Treasury has the most accurate number.
And, if the Treasury numbers are accurate, it looks like the national debt has flattened out since 1/20/2025. Why is nobody talking about this?