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1 posted on 04/29/2025 11:58:19 PM PDT by Red Badger
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This is an EV technology I could live with. Not that I could ever own one: I’m retired and on a fixed income. It will continue to be old IC engines for me.

CC


2 posted on 04/30/2025 12:31:07 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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,,, fueling would probably take five minutes and range expectations would be around 1200km on a fill, according to a guy I talked with last week. Bye-bye electric vehicles.


4 posted on 04/30/2025 1:20:43 AM PDT by shaggy eel (A long way south of the border.)
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While that helps, but what matters is performance under real world conditions when you’re towing 1000lbs of tools.


5 posted on 04/30/2025 1:27:37 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If the life of a fish is as valuable as a human, why can't humans eat fish when fish eat fish?.)
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To: Red Badger; dfwgator; null and void

(Breakthrough US hydrogen fuel cell promises 200,000-hour life with minimal power loss)

That’s what I use on my latest upgraded T-800 robots 🤖🤖🤖🤖

Every now and then one of the fuel cells goes unstable and blows up in the California desert 🏜️.

Just ignore that small mushroom cloud. The Russian ICBMs are coming later anyways.


6 posted on 04/30/2025 1:39:38 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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emitting only water vapor as a byproduct.

If the reason for developing so called "green" energy it to cut down on greenhouse gases, then water vapor is way worse than CO2.

I'll continue to drive my Tundra to save Erf.

13 posted on 04/30/2025 2:27:24 AM PDT by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”)
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To: Red Badger

Yet another solution looking for a problem.


14 posted on 04/30/2025 2:38:18 AM PDT by CodeToad
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So 200K hours is about 22 years of continuous operation. Do they test it over that timeframe? IOW, did they start in 2003?


16 posted on 04/30/2025 2:55:32 AM PDT by Apparatchik (Русские свиньи, идите домой!)
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I asked OpenAI 4o to give me the table below (ergo, accuracy not confirmed):

FeatureHydrogen Fuel CellInternal Combustion Engine (ICE)Battery-Electric Truck
Energy SourceHydrogen gas (H₂)Diesel or gasolineLithium-ion battery (electric grid)
Refueling/Charging Time10–20 minutes5–10 minutes1–4 hours (fast charging); 8–12 hrs standard
Range (typical)300–500+ miles500–1,200 miles150–300 miles (currently)
WeightLighter than battery-electric (no heavy batteries)Light to moderateHeaviest (batteries are dense and heavy)
Fuel Cost per Mile$1.00–$2.00 (current hydrogen cost)$0.50–$0.70 (diesel)$0.30–$0.50 (electricity)
Maintenance NeedsLow (few moving parts, but sensitive)Moderate to high (engine, fluids, wear & tear)Low (few moving parts)
EmissionsWater vapor onlyCO₂, NOₓ, particulatesNone (local); emissions depend on grid source
Durability (New Tech)200,000 hours (claim from UCLA study)~1 million miles (with rebuilds)Battery lifespan ~8–10 years
InfrastructureSparse (limited hydrogen stations)Fully built out nationwideExpanding, but still limited for heavy trucks
Vehicle Cost (current)$300K–$700K+$100K–$150K$350K–$500K+
Ideal Use CaseLong-haul trucking, quick refueling needsAll-purposeUrban/local delivery, short haul
Scalability (Future)Moderate (depends on green H₂ production, cost)Already maximizedHigh (as battery tech improves)

20 posted on 04/30/2025 3:41:00 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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Great demonstration project! Only problem is that hydrogen is the smallest molecule, and will escape (permeate its way through) all steel containers, transmission pipes and valves at the rate of 1% daily.

It is more efficient to run an EV on fossil fuels generated electricity. Than to use that same electricity to make hydrogen that fuel cell vehicles will run on.


22 posted on 04/30/2025 3:53:29 AM PDT by dennisw (💯🇺🇸 Truth is Hate to those who Hate the Truth. 🇺🇸💯)
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Hydrogen is not a fuel. There are no hydrogen mines, no hydrogen wells. Hydrogen has to be made using electricity.

Hydrogen is a terribly inefficient storage medium. You input more energy manufacturing and transporting hydrogen than you get out.


23 posted on 04/30/2025 3:55:40 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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So the ultimate next question is; will the government choose a winner/loser here with endless taxpayer subsidies?


26 posted on 04/30/2025 4:07:45 AM PDT by AT7Saluki (No cejar, no ceder)
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Only 10 years away!


27 posted on 04/30/2025 4:07:58 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Long live The Great MAGA Kangz!)
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bkmk


32 posted on 04/30/2025 4:13:49 AM PDT by sauropod (Make sure Satan has to climb over a lot of Scripture to get to you. John MacArthur Ne supra crepidam)
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Missing from the story is the fact that even though the fuel cells weigh much less than batteries, the trucks will still be required to transport the hydrogen fuel. Even when transported at 10,000 psi, hydrogen requires 7 times the volume compared with diesel fuel. That means times as big fuel tanks, not including the volume of the tank material. Steel tanks are very thick at that pressure.


40 posted on 04/30/2025 4:57:30 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Freud: projection is a defense mechanism of those struggling with inferiority complexes)
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I’ll wait until it is on the shelf next to Mr. Fusion.


44 posted on 04/30/2025 5:34:17 AM PDT by dynachrome (Auslander Raus!)
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48 posted on 04/30/2025 5:54:55 AM PDT by OldHarbor
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Is it feasible to use water as the storage media, battery to do the electrolysis, and use the resulting hydrogen to run the fuel cell to keep the battery charged and run the vehicle? Hydrogen storage is short term and infrastructure for water generally not an issue.


54 posted on 04/30/2025 6:56:10 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (First, I was a clinger, then deplorable, now I'm garbage. Feel the love?)
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Interesting. Thanks for posting.


58 posted on 04/30/2025 7:11:30 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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