Counting Only Citizens: Restoring Fair Representation in America

AMUSE on X ^ | 26 Apr, 2025 | @amuse

[MtnClimber]

If only this could get through the Senate filibuster process.

[Sacajaweau]

None of my grandparents were citizens. Of course they should be and were counted. Go back to the earliest censuses...citizenship was never a requirement.

[philman_36]

...constitutional republic...

Amuse understands while most politicians, not statesmen, don't.

[Dilbert San Diego]

It sounds like it would be a great court case, regarding how the census is conducted and the related reapportionment of Congress.

What would the results of such cases be?

I think we all know that liberal judges would take the position that all persons, whether they’re here legally or not, must be counted in the census, amd must be counted for congressional reapportionment.

[FreeReign]

If only this could get through the Senate filibuster process.

It only takes 51 votes to change the filibuster rules.

[Regulator]

It wouldn’t matter.

Only takes 5 Special People on the “Supreme” Court to nullify it.

Democracy!

Pffft.

[Dilbert San Diego]

Realistically, there is a reluctance on the part of Republicans to change the filibuster rules.

And the reasoning is that, we would like the filibuster to still be a place the next time the Democrats control the Senate.

I know there are mixed opinions on this subject.

[ridesthemiles]

And report every single NON-citizen to ICE.

[FreeReign]

Realistically, there is a reluctance on the part of Republicans to change the filibuster rules. And the reasoning is that, we would like the filibuster to still be a place the next time the Democrats control the Senate. I know there are mixed opinions on this subject.

The Democrats have now demonstrated that they will do everything in their power to stop the MAGA agenda.

Next time around, they will change the filibuster rule.

[glorgau]

Yet another legacy of slavery.

[Dr. Franklin]

If only this could get through the Senate filibuster process.

It can, if it becomes a campaign issue for 2026. Thaddeus Stevens proposed that congressional representation should be limited by the number of a state's citizens. The idea isn't new, but probably requires a constitutional amendment.

[fella]

Exactly.

[MachIV]

Former Congresswoman, Candice Miller, R-Michigan, talked about this years ago on the old Lou Dobbs Show.

[Dr. Franklin]

None of my grandparents were citizens. Of course they should be and were counted. Go back to the earliest censuses...citizenship was never a requirement.

Right, slaves weren't citizens but were only counted as 3/5 of a person for purposes of congressional representation. The founders never considered illegal aliens citizens, since the Native Americans were specifically excluded for Congressional representation. Logically, illegal aliens are more analogous to non-citizen Native Americans than slaves. There is a very good argument that illegals should not count for representation in Congress even if it takes a Constitutional amendment to accomplish.

[stockpirate]

Non-citizens should not be counted

[John Milner]

Maybe a clarification...

Non-citizens could be counted. I have no issue with that. It could be useful information for certain interests.

That said, their numbers should NOT count towards Congressional Seat apportioning.

[SunkenCiv]

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[minnesota_bound]

Married or Happy?

The Three Stooges ‘No Census, No Feeling’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kil2t20t18

Moe walks up a few steps to a door and says to a man who answered the door:
Good morning sir, I’m the census taker.
Are you married or happy?

A woman’s voice yells Henry!
The man ducks and Moe gets hit in the head from a flying vase.
Moe falls down the steps then writes down ‘married’

[taxcontrol]

Given the current landscape of judges, a constitutional amendment will likely be required.