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I read the proposal at the link. They expect no limits on foreign nations supporting troops in Ukraine. In particular, they still want the US to protect them.

"Ukraine receives robust security guarantees including from the US (Article 5-like agreement), while there is no consensus among Allies on NATO membership."

1 posted on 04/25/2025 7:55:28 AM PDT by ransomnote
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What color is the sky in Mr. z’s world?


2 posted on 04/25/2025 7:57:18 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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Also, Ukraine expects Russia to pay for war damage in Ukraine. The EU has frozen Russian assets and Ukraine wants the funds to rebuild Ukraine taken from those assets.

“Ukraine will be fully reconstructed and compensated financially, including through Russian sovereign assets that will remain frozen until Russia compensates damage to Ukraine.”


3 posted on 04/25/2025 7:57:23 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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“Security guarantees” from the United States? They can go stuff it. Let their sons and daughters guarantee it.


4 posted on 04/25/2025 7:58:29 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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“given to the U.S. by Ukrainian and European officials earlier this week includes “robust security guarantees” including from Washington”

“We Europeans have all agreed that the United States will be on the hook for security of Ukraine.”


5 posted on 04/25/2025 7:58:57 AM PDT by packagingguy
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There will be no peace.


6 posted on 04/25/2025 8:03:24 AM PDT by McGruff (Biden will go down in history as the worst president ever.)
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Safety not guaranteed.


7 posted on 04/25/2025 8:05:56 AM PDT by LukeL
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Yep. zelensky wants U.S. military boots on the ground, and their spilled blood, to keep the war going and zelenski in power

Time to call it quits, Trump and his team have tried to do what they could, and zelensky only want's his way

8 posted on 04/25/2025 8:06:55 AM PDT by backpacker_c
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The referenced "full" report which Reuters published has no "chain of custody" attached. Could be true. Could be false. Can't be checked by any of the parties involved.

Kyiv Independent "reporting" Reuters is much like that now-known Pelosi "wrap-up smear," in which the game of Chinese whispers is played out in real life. Someone said something to someone who says something....

Clicking through the Reuters links, one finds they link to themselves. It is in fact a circle, linking back to itself through several pages. No further citations. Therefore it is true that they assert that "Reuters has seen the text...."

And of course, being "proposals," they are not an actual agreed-upon agreement. It's halftime. It's been halftime, talking heads analysis of a game which hasn't come anywhere near to the last two minutes.

9 posted on 04/25/2025 8:14:07 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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Are these dumba$$es totally stupid, or maybe they are deaf. the EU should go F themselves. Dumba$$ POS grifters!


10 posted on 04/25/2025 8:15:54 AM PDT by Agatsu77
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At the Reuters link, Kyiv has updated its terms for Peace Negotiations (April 25th). Prior negotiation terms dated April 17 agreed to eliminate NATO membership; the new update says there's no consensus among officials now.

I didn't repeat all the terms below, but mostly focused on US involvement and those which are likely to be rejected by Putin (or have already been rejected). It seems Ukraine is to be the sole beneficiary of the deal.

Kyiv's terms for peace negotiations to take place:

Full ceasefire prior to negotiations.

Ceasefire monitoring effort is lead by US and supported by other countries

US to provide 'article-5 like' protection and intervention if Ukraine is again attacked by Russia.

(ransomnote: Note the 'article-5 like' phrase; I think it means Ukraine expects the US will likely leave NATO, but wants the US to commit to NATO's article 5 vow to directly intercede - boots on the ground - to protect Ukraine. This has been NATO's objective in their proxy war from the start. Hegseth already specifically said the US would not support NATO's article 5 in the Ukraine)

Ukrainian officials have not reached a consensus on NATO membership. (ransomnote: The war largely started because UK and Ukraine were signaling likely NATO membership, a red-line for Russia for decades).

No restrictions are to be made on the Ukrainian military.

No limits on friendly foreign military presence, operations, arms etc. in Ukraine. (ransomnote: This is after NATO built and equiped an army in Ukraine prior to provoking war)

Ukraine pursues admission to the EU (ransomnote: Putin has said this membership was permissable to Russia).

Ukraine regains control of their nuclear powerplant, currently controlled by Russia. President Trump had previously said perhaps the US could control the plant, which Zelensky said was impossible and that the nuclear power plant couldn't be operated without Ukrainian control.

(ransomnote: The Ukrainians had fired on the nuclear power plant previously, and they conducted a second incindiary attack on it. I wonder if the US is concerned the power plant could be used to refine nuclear fuel for weapons? Likely it's not modern enough though.)

Russia is to pay for Ukraine's war damage. Russian assets currently frozen in the UK are not released until Russia has repaid Ukraine for all damage.

Sanctions on Russia remain in place until proof of sustainable peace. If Russia violates the peace agreement, then all sanctions return.

All children removed from Ukraine are returned.

(ransomnote: Abbe Vigano has said the Ukraine has a horrible problem with chlld trafficking, organ harvesting etc. I did read an account by a shocked Russian soldier who said he enterred a building in Ukraine and on both levels of the structure, there was proof that children were 'butchered'. He said what he saw changed him as a person; he couldn't be the same as he was before)


12 posted on 04/25/2025 8:30:48 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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There will not be 1 American Solder on the ground of YouCraynee.


13 posted on 04/25/2025 8:40:18 AM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRobr 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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14 posted on 04/25/2025 8:41:00 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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Funny how the big tough bloviating Europeans who say they can go without the US demand US security guarantees when it really comes down to it. Screw them.


15 posted on 04/25/2025 8:41:30 AM PDT by falcon99 ( )
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This proposal, of course, is DOA.

There is no rational person would think the Russians would agree to it.

Of course, neither does Zelensky and the EU. Both want war and want to find a way to drag us into the war.

16 posted on 04/25/2025 8:45:17 AM PDT by Kazan
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F&ck them c-suckers.

Donald, walk away. It is NOT, worth it

Maybe a trip to the VA hospital to see veterans getting therapy of all sorts for the damage done to them by endless political wars might convince some people.


17 posted on 04/25/2025 8:48:42 AM PDT by crz
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Nice of them to volunteer the U.S. for a leading role in the cluster. Europe F-U.


19 posted on 04/25/2025 9:07:32 AM PDT by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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Lololol! Right!


24 posted on 04/25/2025 9:24:54 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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LOL! The Yurps have bravely volunteered for the US to spend money and risk its soldiers’ lives defending Ukraine have they?

Guess again Yurps.


27 posted on 04/25/2025 10:02:03 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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29 posted on 04/25/2025 10:05:53 AM PDT by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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If the EU wants to make mandates, I have zero problem with that. As long as they don’t expect the U.S. to back those mandates up. Way past time for Europe to manage itself.


31 posted on 04/25/2025 10:18:58 AM PDT by voicereason (When a bartender can join Congress and become a millionaire...there’s a problem.)
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