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Posted on 04/25/2025 7:28:53 AM PDT by Pol-92064
Steve Forbes explains why the Trump Administration's proposed peace plan to end the Russia-Ukraine War would constitute a big win for Vladimir Putin and only make the world more dangerous
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Short of force…how else are we supposed to get Russia out of Ukraine?
I wonder if the CIA is already setting up supply routes to the “Free Ukrainian Resistance” in the Donbass? (My name for it, not an official name.)
I imagine that the folks in the occupied area will not go gently into that good night.
Who got to Steve? Probably team Bush/Cheney.
From America’s perspective, the best thing to happen over there would be for Russia to conquer Ukraine entirely. It would eliminate a lot of instability and shut down a whole avenue of graft in our government.
Is Putin not already rejecting Trump’s proposals?
Trump makes proposals not solely to try to conclude negotiations with a deal, but also to learn, by their reactions to his proposals, what’s really going on inside the minds of those he’s dealing with.
Frankly, as of 1/20/2025, all the options suck.
* let the Russkies have a big chunk of Ukraine,
* keep fighting and dying, watching cities crumble,
* maybe start WW3.
All the options seem to include the corrupt leadership of Ukraine keeping their billions.
If Ukrainian leaders and their people want to keep fighting, let the EU fund it.
That Rubicon was crossed a long time ago when Bush got the Ukes to give up their nukes. It was gun control for nations, the suicidal psychotic exception being Iran.
A stronger, militarily aggressive, and emboldened Russia would be in America's interest! Absurd!
A far better outcome would be Ukraine redeeming all of its lands, Russia forced to contribute trillions in reparations to rebuild Ukraine, and Putin's head on a pike.
Regards,
Forbes is right in that Russia has captured some Ukrainian acreage and isn’t likely to give it back.
Having said that, I don’t care what happens to the Ukraine.
And neither do the Euroweenies.
Is Ukraine entry to NATO not an option ? or is that the WWIII trigger ?
What are you talking about?
Sounds like he’s gone full-evil neocon.
will NEVER happen in the real world, you know, the real world the rest of us must live in. neoCONS like you cannot accept any other scenario except the one that gets Americans dead. regards.
I didn’t consider any ludicrous scenarios, so I’m sorry if I disappointed you.
If one accepts the "Biden's war," as President Trump has said, then it's a whole other ball game.
What is sure is that MONEY is in the game: "...some of the players -- like Cargill, BNP Asset Management, Vanguard, Blackrock, Norges Bank Investment Management, NCH Capital, Kopernik Global Investors and more will find their 'clever' investments. loans and guarantees fail. "
Oh, let's not forget GoldmanSachs' NN Investment Partners Holdings.
A lot probably depends on where one has placed one bets.....
We walk away, and there';s still the brave, oh so brave EU and that courageous Keir Starmer.
"Starmer has taken the lead, along with French President Emmanuel Macron, in assembling the 'coalition of the willing' in part to persuade Trump to maintain support for Kyiv. One outcome has already been a growing acceptance from European countries in particular that they need to do more secure their own security, including by increasing their defense spending. Macron said he had spoken Friday with both Zelenskyy and Starmer about progress at the U.S.-Ukraine talks earlier this week in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, which led to Trump resuming military aid and intelligence sharing with Kyiv."It's about the wagers on the table. Hit me. Double down. Backstops for the wagers. Guarantees for the bettors.
Biden;s war, says I.
To quote Mongo, “I am just a pawn in game of life”. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about Ukraine because God has it under control and will eventually settle it, one way or the other.
“That Rubicon was crossed a long time ago when Bush got the Ukes to give up their nukes”
And when Biden allowed completion of the Nordstream II pipeline.
No one of any particular importance has actually asked for my opinion.
Screw Ukraine good and hard.
Screw Foreigners as necessary.
Act to clean out and Repair America for Legacy Americans.
“From America’s perspective, the best thing to happen over there would be for Russia to conquer Ukraine entirely. It would eliminate a lot of instability and shut down a whole avenue of graft in our government.”
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To suggest that a foreign dictatorship conquering a sovereign democratic nation would be “the best thing” for America is not only morally depraved — it is a direct assault on the very principles that define civilization itself.
Russia’s war of conquest against Ukraine is not a “stabilizing” force — it is the brutal, illegal invasion of a peaceful neighbor which also happens to be an official ally of the USA. It is a campaign of murder, rape, mass abduction of children, and deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure. It is the very definition of terrorism and lawlessness on the world stage. To endorse that is to spit on every treaty, every norm, every shred of international law established after the horrors of World War II.
If we condone the conquest of Ukraine, we abandon the idea that borders matter, that human rights matter, that sovereignty matters. We would be throwing away the principle of national self-determination — the same principle that allows our nation to stand independent and free.
And to claim that such a conquest would somehow “benefit” America by reducing “graft” is nothing more than a coward’s excuse — an attempt to cloak treasonous thinking in bureaucratic language. Corruption is not solved by conquest — it’s solved by transparency, oversight, and the rule of law. Supporting tyranny does not eliminate corruption — it institutionalizes it, enshrines it, and enables it to spread like a cancer.
Any American who roots for the victory of an authoritarian war machine (the IRAN-Russia-North Korea-China Axis) over a democratic ally has no understanding of patriotism, no respect for liberty, and no place in the defense of a free world.
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