Posted on 04/24/2025 10:50:51 AM PDT by RandFan
Vladimir Putin initially denied having anything to do with Russia's capture of Crimea in February 2014, when mysterious masked commandos in unidentified green uniforms seized the local parliament and fanned out across the peninsula.
Those "little green men" marked the start of Russia's war on Ukraine, which culminated in the 2022 full-scale invasion.
The future of Crimea is now at the centre of President Donald Trump's peace plan and has prompted Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky to rule out recognising Russian control of the peninsula.
The exact terms of his plan have not been published, but reports suggest it would include the US recognising Crimea as a legal part of Russia - de jure in Latin.
For Trump, Ukraine's southern peninsula was "lost years ago" and "is not even a part of discussion" in peace talks.
But for Zelensky to renounce Crimea as an indivisible part of Ukraine would be unconscionable.
In the words of opposition MP Iryna Gerashchenko "territorial integrity and sovereignty is a red line for Ukraine and Ukrainians".
Trump made the point that "if [Volodymyr Zelensky] wants Crimea, why didn't they fight for it 11 years ago when it was handed over to Russia without a shot being fired?"
Few shots were fired, but Crimea was seized at gunpoint during a power vacuum.
Putin later admitted hatching the land-grab in an all-night meeting with his officials days after Ukraine's pro-Russian leader was ousted in Kyiv.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
First off...BBC.
Second, the proposal set forth by this administration is being rejected out of hand by the Banderites.
Third, the USA walks and the Russians continue to take chunks of Ukraine till they get what they want.
Fourth, EU gets directly involved even more than the are now, they will once again find that being fond of war isnt so great like they think.
Got some real short memories over in the EU....and the UK.
It’s been Russian since 1783. That is longer than Ohio has been part of the USA. Catherine the Great established Sevastopol as a Russian navy base.
It has been their base since then, except for when the original nazis took over in WWII.
It was never part of Ukraine until Khrushchev moved administratively inside the USSR. But beyond that, it was never run from Kiev.
When the Kiev kids said they were going to make it into a NATO Navy base, that was idiotic. Russia would let NATO take Crimea about the same time we would give up Pearl Harbor.
And last but not least, here are the Brits, once again with their psycho obsession of pushing to eject the Russians from Crimea. The Brits invaded Crimea in 1850 once.
“Fourth, EU gets directly involved even more than the are now, they will once again find that being fond of war isn’t so great like they think.”
Reminds me of what got them into WWI.
the more informed know the history
i figure many are being paid and don’t let it worry them.
Yes, having a land-link to Crimea (the Donbas-plus) is an important part of securing that port.
i recall on FR discussion of ads for bids for contract work on a naval facility in crimea after the ukr coup.
i think I and certainly others at the time said there was no way russia was letting itself be ejected from its naval facilities.
That war, and the treaty after, resulted, and continues to result, in every conflict fought since and continues to be fought.
“Why ZELENSKY can’t and won’t give up Crimea”
Nonsense headline.. Crimea was given up 11 years ago
The very idea is ludicrous.
I’m beginning to think more and more that some Western countries want Ukraine’s resources and putting them up to fight Russia will only leave them weak and in debt.
It’s almost pointless to talk about Crimea being part of Ukraine or Russia, Russia controls it and that’s that.
However getting Ukraine to exhaust itself would offer quite a buying opportunity for the globalists; their farmland is among the most valuable in the world.
Why? Because he’s a dead man once the fighting stops.
In the near term (the next decade or two), Crimea isn't going to change hands. Zelensky has to accept that, as it's a reality. He just doesn't want to formalize it by statement or treaty. But even that might well be forced upon him.
re: The Brits invaded Crimea in 1850 once.
For those unfamiliar, The Charge of the Light Brigade was written to commemorate an action during the Crimean War involving British Cavalry. Probably a top ten misuse of cavalry ever, up there with Custer at the Little Big Horn.
So what? What makes you think that just because someone is ethnic Russian that they'd prefer to be part of Russia rather than Ukraine? Zelensky himself is of Russian ancestry.
When the issue of Ukraine becoming independent was put to voters in 1991, 55% of voters in the Crimea voted for independence rather than remaining with Russia. Percentages varied across Ukraine -- as you'd expect in a legit election -- and there were no claims that the election was rigged. Accepted as fair by Russia itself.
So in terms of respecting "democracy" and "self-determination", the only ones who aren't respecting it are the Russians, who are trying to annex by force areas that freely voted to leave Russia and become part of Ukraine. And which Russia itself agreed in 1994 would forever remain part of Ukraine.
Zelenskyy is grandstanding — not his to “give up”
USSR also gave part of Romania n a large portion of Poland to the Ukes. Not sure of timeline of thinking post WW2
Western media.
This guy picks the seizing of Crimea as the starting point in order to show historical perspective but still keep the blame on Russia entirely.
Of course us over throwing a democratically elected government and fueling a revolt prior to that, installing our folks after the revolt, isn’t mentioned.
That is a blatant untruth!
When I visited there in 2001, it was about 40% ethnic Russian, 40% ethnic Ukrainian, and 20% Tatar.
But they were practically ALL Ukrainian citizens - and citizenship trumps ethnicity (otherwise, many parts of the U.S. could then be legitimately claimed by, e.g., Mexico or Somalia).
Regards,
Trump should have thrown in the towel a long time ago regarding this mess.
And anyone who doesn’t thing Zel is a criminal gangster is not a very good judge of character.
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