Posted on 04/24/2025 9:28:41 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
The United States will demand that Russia accept Ukraine's right to have its own army and defense industry as part of a peace agreement between Moscow and Kyiv, Bloomberg News reported on Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter. US special envoy Steve Witkoff is expected to raise the issue with Russian President Vladimir Putin when they next meet, the report added.
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No, Putin is demanding that Ukraine "demilitarize," i.e. reduce its military to a token force of 85,000 men. Everyone just looks at Putin's demands for his claimed provinces but he has other demands that would mean the end of Ukraine as an independent nation and a separate people.
Except that it has been Russia attacking into Ukraine, not Ukraine attacking into Russia.
Except that Ukraine did not join NATO and remains officially neutral. Russia, on the other hand, has violated a number of agreements where it has recognized Ukraine's sovereignty and borders.
The meddling started with Russia putting pressure on Yanukovych to renege on the EU economic deal. The uprising was a popular response to this and not a product CIA manipulation, contrary to Russian propaganda.
Putin’s agenda is to reabsorb Ukraine back into Russia. Anyone denying this is either ignorant or dishonest.
Ukraine did not join NATO and remains neutral, the Maidan uprising was a popular response to Russian interference blocking the EU economic agreement, the governments that followed were freely elected by the Ukrainian people, and Ukraine built up its army to counter Russia’s military invasion in 2014. There is no justification for Russia’s invasion.
The water supplied to Crimea was not a natural source and Ukraine had no obligation to to continue it.
Literally nothing Ukraine did justified a Russian invasion in 2014 or 2022 under the agreements that Russia itself signed.
It's another example of why Ukraine deserves absolutely no sympathy for the situation it is in.
Right, Ukrainian nationalists, working with NATO, us, the CIA that hate Russia and hated the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine taking power was an example of neutrality.
You're one of the most dishonest people I've ever encountered online.
Simple may be how zeepers understand it, but most wars involve a lot more.
The Ukrainian people, not the CIA, elected the past two governments. And if Russia had not invaded in 2014 Ukraine would not have had to turn to NATO for support. As for hating the Russian population, Russia is just upset that they can no longer dominate the Ukrainian population in their own country. It is a history of Russian arrogance that has led to the antipathy towards Russia.
You’re still wilfully ignoring even your own source. Which says, itself,
“the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not lead to an ‘impairment of Soviet security interests.’
SOVIET INTERESTS. Not RF, not Muscovia.
“assurances throughout 1990 and into 1991 about protecting Soviet security interests and including the USSR in new European security structures. The two issues were related but not the same.”
So, there was only a focus on the USSR integrity being maintained despite unification of the GDR and DDR.
Again, because your lies need to be countered, even your own source is telling everyone that I am right and you’re a Putin shilling liar.
Name this targeting you claim
And, you are despicable and dishonest that you refuse to acknowledge Ukraine was a divided country with a Ukrainian nationalist part and a smaller ethnic, cultural and pro-Russian part, which now comprises the annexed area.
That annexed area was part of Russia until the middle of last century. Crimea was "given" to Ukraine in 1954 by communists running the country but never would have been if Ukraine and Russia weren't part of the same country.
You know damn well the Maiden revolution setoff a civil war and the victims were the majority in the annexed area.
But, you don't care if the people there had their human rights trampled on.
Joe Biden admitted in 1997:
“I think the one place where the greatest consternation would be caused in the short term, for admission – having nothing to do with the merit and preparedness of the countries coming in – would be to admit the Baltic states now, in terms of NATO-Russian, US-Russian relations,” Biden said.
“And if there was ever anything that was going to tip the balance, were it to be tipped, in terms of a vigorous and hostile reaction, I don’t mean military, in Russia, it would be that,” he added.
When the Senate approved NATO expansion in 1998, it was condemned by none other than leading cold warrior George Kennan, the architect of US containment policy toward the Soviet Union. Kennan warned in prescient words published by the New York Times:
I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO expansion] was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.
You and your fellow Zeepers and war pigs have thought for decades that you could sh$t all over the Russians and they'd take it.
And, that is especially annoying from the British a-holes that stir the pot and want to hide behind our military when there are consequences of NATO aggression.
It's idiots with your mentality that have us closer to WW III and nuclear war than we ever were during the Cold War.
No, I do not agree with your characterization of events. This conflict started with Russian interference in Ukrainian politics when they pressured Yanukovych to betray his electoral mandate and renege on the EU economic agreement. The resulting demonstrations were spontaneous and popular, and not the result of CIA machinations. This is a truth that you do not want to admit.
As for Donbas, it was seized militarily by Russian backed militants. The regimes there were the results of the very form of coup that you claim to hate. They were not the result of a popular movement by the populations.
The status of Kherson and Zaporizhzhi is even more stark. Their population there is 70-80% Ukrainian. There Russians are but a small part of the population. And yet you claim that the Russian held referenda vote 90% for union with Russia. Such a result is laughable on its face and no honest person would support it. This is especially true with Zaporizhzhia since the city of Zaporizhzhia itself did not take part in the referendum.
If you go back to my past posting you will see that I have always acknowledged the Russian majority in Crimea, as opposed to the falsely claimed Russian majority in Donbas. But even here it must be kept in mind that this majority is not of long historical standing. Rather it only goes back to 1945 when Stalin ethnically cleansed Crimea, removing the native Tartar population and replacing them with Russians.
And finally, you fail to recognize that it is the doctrine among Russian nationalists that Ukraine is an illegitimate country and the Ukrainian people are really Russians. This is what driving this war. It is Putin’s attempt to correct the mistake of Ukrainian independence, bring them back in Moscow’s rule, and erase the Ukrainian identity.
In the end, the fighting was started by Russian intervention in Ukrainian affairs, not with Ukrainian opposition to that intervention.
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