[RandFan]

Trump is doing the right thing. Give peace a chance. Putin needs to wise up and get on board or else Trump will lose patience and walk away. Maybe he doesn't care about that I don't know. It's proving more tricky than I thought to end this costly War.

[wafflehouse]

why should putin stop? hes going to win

[dfwgator]

Trump knows people are too divided right now as to what to do with Ukraine.

It’s like 1939, FDR probably knew was with Germany was inevitable, but 95% of Americans at the time wanted nothing to do with it. Events had to play themselves out before the majority was ready to go to war.

Trump is giving Putin every possible chance to avoid war. But if Putin refuses Trump’s hand, more and more Americans will come around in thinking that we’ll have to deal with Russia.

[Magnum44]

Putin needs to wise up and get on board or else Trump will lose patience and walk away.

Trump walking away is no threat to Putin. Its like Cartman saying

I posted in an earlier thread a week or so ago...

Trump is a bull in a china shop. That’s why people love him and it’s necessary to fix so much that’s wrong here at home. But it is also risky when it comes to foreign affairs. Sometimes people think it’s 4D chess, and that may be true sometimes. But other times I’m convinced it’s just disruption and some of the fall out is unanticipated.

I really do not understand how Trump can understand Reagan's peace through strength concept so well yet find himself being so inconsistent with Russia and Ukraine.

I have said for three years, its takes two to stop a fight. Only one to start or keep the fight going. Neither Russia nor Ukraine want to end this fight given the current state of the conflict. Russia because it feels the initiative, despite the cost; Ukraine because it stands to lose so much and pride wont let it surrender.

[Locomotive Breath]

This is a centuries old blood feud. Good luck solving that.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“Putin needs to wise up”

Putin invaded for his own lust and ambition. Even if Putin signed any agreement to end his invasion, it would not be even worth the paper he signed that commitment on!

Putin cannot be held accountable by the people of Russia or the Kremlin for any of his behavior.

[BobL]

The war ends when the Neocons (in the US and Europe) FULLY UNDERSTAND that Russia is not interested in a cease fire, just to have the fight the war again (and against NATO troops), be it in 10 years, 5 years, 1 year, 1 month, or 1 week.

Russia wants this war CONCLUDED, and following the Finland model during WW2, which includes the following:
1. Internationally recognized border changes
2. Ukrainian neutrality - no NATO, no foreign troops
3. Strong limits on the size and composition of Ukraine’s military and its weapons.
4. De-Nazification

For you Zeepers, this is NOT my wish list - so STOP attacking the messenger (as you clowns do non-stop here), this is what RUSSIA has said from Day 1, and they have not changed, other than in the location of the borders, as the Neocons fired longer range missiles from Ukraine.

If not agreement on the above, Russia continues to fight on, and it’s unlikely Ukraine will exist as a country when the war is over.

And, again, Zeepers, this is what the RUSSIANS are saying, not what the “Putinistas” are saying.

And, by the way, the Russians are also quite clear that if the Neocons really want a nuclear war with Russia, they’ll get that nuclear war with Russia.

[sam_whiskey]

I don’t like to admit it, but Trump has come off as quite ineffective and impotent throughout this whole process so far. He really hasn’t been able to convince either side to give up anything.

[FreeReign]

Putin is immoral and he will continue as long as he can make further gains and get away with it.

Zelensky is an immoral puppet of the Western globalists who in turn have been infiltrated by the CCP.

Putin and the CCP want to see the West, whether it be the globalists or Trump and other Western nationalists, destroyed.

The war will continue.

[hardspunned]

There can be no peace as long as Zelensky is there to subvert it. Putin has tried. He honored the energy ceasefire, Z broke it everyday. Putin honored the Easter ceasefire, Z broke it innumerable times, including retaking Russian held positions while the Russians stood idly by honoring the truce. Putin unilaterally withdrew from Kiev and other strategic areas as part of the Istanbul Peace Process (which would have given all contested territory but Crimea to the Ukes), Z reneged. Putin honored Minsk 1 and 2, Merkel has admitted they were nothing but ruses to allow the NATO buildup to attack Russia. The NATO controlled insurrectionists broke the Maidan agreement the day it was signed and overthrew the government. Why in God’s name would Putin deal with that ruthless, lying Zelensky?

Trump appears to be stupid enough to believe that neocon goon Kellogg’s lies about the current military dynamic and the Russian ability to continue. That is why this has dragged out this far. If Trump doesn’t walk away from Zelensky and allow the Russians to have their legitimate buffer areas to assure NATO doesn’t attack Russia again in 4 years, the Russians will take all of Ukraine east of the Dnieper including Odessa and Kharkiv.

It does not matter what level of commitment Trump might decide to do to stop the Russians. The sanctions are a joke and any further ones only make them more laughable. Maintaining the levels of military aid Biden did will get another 500,000 Ukes killed before Putin has conquered what he feels is necessary. If Trump wants to kill us all by introducing American ground troops, the Russians will comply and WWIII will start.

The only leverage Trump ever had was to eliminate Zelensky and end the war utilizing Putin’s Istanbul II terms. That would have saved the 1000 Russian boys now dying a week. If Trump doesn’t do that Putin will stop fighting like McClellan and will go all in and end this by fall. After that it really won’t matter what happens to rump Ukraine.

[McGruff]

“Trump will lose patience and walk away.”

I wouldn’t be disappointed by that result. It’s a European problem.

[nwrep]

STOP! In the name of love.

[Engraved-on-His-hands]

Situations like this always put Russian trolls in a difficult place. Do they support Trump, or do they support Russia?

Decisions, decisions. (Popcorn. Need more popcorn.)

[Biblebelter]

Putin is a gangsta.

The little fella is a wannabe gangsta who holds no cards.

Trump holds the cards to STOP this war.

Problem is the wannabe gangsta doesn’t want the war stopped any more than the real gangsta.

Trump will be forced to withhold the cards that are prolonging this war.

Neocon war machine will just have to find another place to engage in war profiteering.

One thing is for sure the Neocons will never focus their attention on the illegal invasion of the United States.

To Neocon warmongers, I ask these two questions, how many Russian nationals are in America both legally and illegally?

How many Red Chinese nationals are in this country both legally and illegally?

The greatest national security threat to America is not that gangsta Putin trying to retake territory in Central Europe of which has been claimed by many regional gangstas over the centuries.

Russian is not in fiscal control of the Panama Canal although Trump is wisely looking forwardly for Russian aggression by seeking to secure Greenland.

While the Neocons played at war in Iraq, Afghanistan and now the Ukraine, trillions have been wasted.

As Trump so WISELY opined during the South Carolina primary debate in 2016, we spent trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan and what do we have to show for it?

To reframe the question, we have spent billions in the Ukraine and what do we have to show for it?

[Lisbon1940]

Vladimir Putin: Donald STFU.

[dware]

It's proving more tricky than I thought to end this costly War.

There are forces behind it that are making it difficult. From Congress to the EU, Zelensky, Putin and others. Truthfully, if the US just completely stepped out of the picture - entirely - no guidance, no weapons, no $$$, Ukraine would lose fairly quickly. If the EU stepped in, they might last a couple more months. If the US remains involved at current levels, it will grind out for several years before the inevitable, and no one wants that. I know I sure don't, because Trump is right, the number of deaths and amount of destruction is already way too high, and with continued US involvement, the deaths will continue with the very real possibility of US Soldier deaths.

At the end of the day, however, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see what will eventually happen. There are really only two ways this war ends: 1. The US backs out completely and Putin rolls over all of Ukraine, or 2. Zelenskyy submits and cedes UKE lands already under Russian control while maintaining an independent Ukraine with US/EU support.

No one has to like these facts, but they are pretty much indisputable.

[DesertRhino]

Trump is the best we have. But he is missing something. There are actual issues that Russia cares about that cannot be addressed with personality, orders to stop, etc.

It really was a red line. No NATO in Ukraine, no neo-nazi Banderist ethnic cleansing, and stop the encirclement.

We are offering no end to the sanctions, and in a nutshell our solution is a frozen conflict with a NATO peacekeeping force flooding Ukraine with soldiers, weapons, jets, no fly-zones etc. Sure, we say it’s not NATO, but it’ll be a force of Brits, French, Germans, Poles etc.

Pretty much our solution is for them to stop when they are winning, and let our Ukes regroup and get reinforced by European armies. Then behind this protective force, the Banderists can do as they please. They will keep up the terror bombings in Russia, assassinations, sabotage of oil facilities, etc... knowing Russia cannot respond without hitting Brits or French “non-Nato” troops that are thoroughly mixed in with the Ukes.

Time to walk away and drop this tar-baby. America has zero national interest in Ukraine.

[DesertRhino]

He spelled Kiev wrong

[McGruff]

DON'T!