Posted on 04/23/2025 10:16:09 AM PDT by JoSixChip
TRUMP: Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is boasting on the front page of The Wall Street Journal that, “Ukraine will not legally recognize the occupation of Crimea. There’s nothing to talk about here.” This statement is very harmful to the Peace Negotiations with Russia in that Crimea was lost years ago under the auspices of President Barack Hussein Obama, and is not even a point of discussion. Nobody is asking Zelenskyy to recognize Crimea as Russian Territory but, if he wants Crimea, why didn’t they fight for it eleven years ago when it was handed over to Russia without a shot being fired? The area also houses, for many years before “the Obama handover,” major Russian submarine bases. It’s inflammatory statements like Zelenskyy’s that makes it so difficult to settle this War. He has nothing to boast about! The situation for Ukraine is dire — He can have Peace or, he can fight for another three years before losing the whole Country. I have nothing to do with Russia, but have much to do with wanting to save, on average, five thousand Russian and Ukrainian soldiers a week, who are dying for no reason whatsoever. The statement made by Zelenskyy today will do nothing but prolong the “killing field,” and nobody wants that! We are very close to a Deal, but the man with “no cards to play” should now, finally, GET IT DONE. I look forward to being able to help Ukraine, and Russia, get out of this Complete and Total MESS, that would have never started if I were President!
Breaking down the Slavic countries opposition to the Muslim invasion was one of the EU’s motivations to instigate this conflict.
And the plan to recruit 8 million Islamic “guest workers” from the mentioned countries into post war Ukraine to replace those who were killed or have fled the country for good was part of a post war rebuilding plan publicly presented by the Ukrainian Foreign Minister so one can assume that this is going to the Ukrainian policy going forward.
Although I should add that the proposed peace plan would most likely put Americans in Ukraine to run the electricity production plant so that both Russia and Ukraine are supplied. So even after Zelensky’s temper tantrum at the White House, Trump is graciously offering to put American skin in Ukraine as a deterrent to Russian aggression.
So what does Zelensky seem ready to do?
Piss on it again.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Are these people incapable of seeing what is right in front of their eyes?
What Putin has done is horrible. What Zelensky is doing is unconscionable.
That’s probably why the EU courts are refusing to let the people choose their own leaders - jailing any real alternatives to the globalists.
Very democratic of them.
cough
And that lawfare is most likely being coordinated by Norm Eisen and........ drumroll........ Chief Justice John Roberts!
Just posted on X
Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
Emotions have run high today. But it is good that 5 countries met to bring peace closer. Ukraine, the USA, the UK, France and Germany. The sides expressed their views and respectfully received each other’s positions. It’s important that each side was not just a participant but contributed meaningfully. The American side shared its vision. Ukraine and other Europeans presented their inputs. And we hope that it is exactly such joint work that will lead to lasting peace. We are grateful to partners. Ukraine will always act in accordance with its Constitution and we are absolutely sure that our partners in particular the USA will act in line with its strong decisions.
Good god , Z added Pompeo’s 2018 PR to his tweet
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1915120034487189631
Its funny many in the US were calling for Europe to do their 'fair' share, now that they are, they are war mongers.
There's a continuing myth that Ukraine has no men. Ukraine's population at the start of the war was 40 million. Ukraine doesn't even draft men from 18-24. Ukraine primarily lacks weapons and there is a lack of trained men.
Current 'deal' offers Ukraine nothing.
Tell me what you think the deal is.
Are these people incapable of seeing what is right in front of their eyes?
The Biden Administration and the EU very cleverly set up s program where US and EU foreign aid money was given to the Ukraine to pay government workers, pensioners, soldiers and much of the private sectors salaries.
This, along with a very effective propaganda campaign, has provided the people of Ukraine outside the active war zone with a false sense of normalcy and complacency as they have been largely unaffected by the brutal fighting.
Heck, they are even planning the development of the largest ski resort in Europe with the reconstruction money that they think will be flooding the country once they win the war.
Also, why are thugs kidnapping teens off the street and sending mentally handicapped men into war?
And you are debunking your own argument at this point. If Ukraine has plenty of fighters left then why could they not rebuild their defenses after the peace plan goes into effect, so that they can grow their defenses just like Russia has to do? You also still haven’t answered why European nations will fund continuing war but not fund defense for Ukraine.
I wonder why the Ukrainian officials are talking about bringing in Muslim immigrants to replace the men who have died or permanently moved out of the country.
Not one red cent.
What's reported, freeze of conflict, US recognizes Crimea as Russian, and raises sanctions on Russia while Ukraine gets another "Budapest Agreement", but this time without the US. Its everything Putin wanted.
The latest pitch, as described by one senior administration official, offers Russia several “carrots” to entice it to come to the table while asking Ukraine to make several major concessions.
What Russia gets
Formal US recognition of Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula as Russian territory — a major departure from Washington’s longstanding Welles doctrine, which refuses to acknowledge annexed territory as belonging to the seizing power.
“De facto” recognition of Russia’s occupation of four regions in eastern Ukraine, meaning the US would acknowledge Moscow controls the Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts while formally considering them Ukrainian land.
A pledge that the US would not support Ukraine becoming a member of NATO.
Lifting sanctions to boost Russia’s economy, which has struggled throughout its war on Ukraine.
Opportunities for more economic cooperation with the US, especially in the energy and industrial fields.
What Ukraine gets
Assistance from European military forces as “a robust security guarantee” following a cease-fire. The US would not be involved in this measure.
Russia would return a small portion of Ukraine’s Kharkiv oblast currently occupied by Moscow.
Navigation rights in the Dnieper River, which runs along the front lines.
Assistance in post-war rebuilding, though it is unclear from where that funding would come.
Please send a link.
Because men don't want to die? Examples are Civil War draft riots and Vietnam era draft dodgers.
why could they not rebuild their defenses after the peace plan goes into effect
Ukraine will not have the funds to build a military industrial complex. Russia has one thats already running at 100% production.
You also still haven’t answered why European nations will fund continuing war but not fund defense for Ukraine.
Countries near Ukraine, Poland, Finland, etc are currently sending weapons to Ukraine because it is stopping Russian aggression, if the war stops, they will just build up their own supplies.
Your list omits a couple of things.
AXIOS, citing sources with direct knowledge of the proposal, reports that the U.S. peace plan for the war in Ukraine is as follows:
– Ukraine will not join NATO; however, it could join the European Union.
– The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant will be considered as Ukrainian territory, but operated by the U.S. It will supply electricity to both Ukraine and Russia.
Both of those favor Ukraine. They are able to join the EU, in addition to the “robust security guarantee”. And the electricity production plant would be considered Ukrainian AND would include American control/workers, thus putting American skin in Ukraine as a deterrent to Russian aggression.
You’re saying that Ukraine gets nothing, because there are no security guarantees?
What are you smoking?
rdcbn1, do you have a link for the claims about the post-war plan being to bring Muslims into Ukraine?
Yet the EU countries spending billions of dollars for Ukraine continuing the war is supposed to get them to win it?
Ukraine has always been considered a shield by NATO and EU countries. If they aren’t willing to help Ukraine defend itself from Russian aggression.... it sucks to be Ukraine, I guess. That’s not Trump’s fault. But Trump is getting Europe to pledge to do the very thing that you say they won’t do. Yet you say there is nothing in this deal that benefits Ukraine. Wow.
Will you not even admit that seizing mentally handicapped people and teens off the streets to send them into war is a pretty vile thing for Zelensky’s people to do, while they boldly express willingness to fight to the last man?
How is this any different than the Muslim slugs using their kids for human shields? Disgusting.
Think it was actually posted here for a while. It was in the context of low birth rates in Ukraine and loss of people who have been killed or fled the country.
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