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Those are your words, and I'm saying they are no more valid or relevant than Hilary's "basket of deplorables" accusations.

My words are objectively correct. They are accurate. Hillary's are just a made up smear based on her subjective opinion.

You have to be irrational to deny the evidence that Lincoln believed in ideas that today are absolutely the definition of racism and white supremacy.

By the end of his life, Lincoln had come to support full citizenship for freed slaves,

When he was trying to salvage the absolute societal and political mess he made from waging the civil war, and he saw the possibility of gaining political advantage from doing so, he decided the thing he was absolutely against in 1860 was just fine in 1865.

And you wonder why I am so cynical about him.

And "end of his life"? Lincoln did not know this was the "end of his life." He probably figured he had at least another 20 years to go, and congressmen and senators elected on the support of black votes, which would bolster his party's hold on power, sounds like a fine idea to him.

This idea among liberals of giving non-citizens the right to vote in order to gain electoral power is the same then as it is now.

Illegal immigrants are the ones they are trying to give votes too now, and it was freed blacks back in 1868, but the rational is the same. They don't care about the actual people, but they very greatly care that with their support, they will gain and hold power in Washington DC, because that's where the money is.

DiogenesLamp: "My words are objectively correct.
They are accurate.
Hillary's are just a made up smear based on her subjective opinion.
You have to be irrational to deny the evidence that Lincoln believed in ideas that today are absolutely the definition of racism and white supremacy."

According to Hillary's & other "woke" definitions, you, personally, DiogenesLamp, "are absolutely the definition of racism and white supremacy."

I'm saying, by such insane definitions, every human being who ever lived is "absolutely the definition of racism and white/black/brown/yellow supremacy," except possibly the Democrats' insane woke mob, and those only because they specifically define themselves differently.

I'm saying, what matters is not "racism", since the word "racism" was not even used in those days.
What matters is that in 1860 Lincoln was a moderate abolitionist, meaning he supported gradual restrictions on slavery with the long term goal of abolishing it, peacefully .

But Lincoln's "moderation" was totally lost on Southerners, especially in the Deep South, and they accused him of being a radical abolitionist, radical enough to justify their own declarations of secession from the United States.

That's what's important to history, and all your talk about "Lincoln the racist" is just babbling stupidity.

Seriously, why do you do it?

quoting BJK: "By the end of his life, Lincoln had come to support full citizenship for freed slaves..."

DiogenesLamp: "When he was trying to salvage the absolute societal and political mess he made from waging the civil war, and he saw the possibility of gaining political advantage from doing so, he decided the thing he was absolutely against in 1860 was just fine in 1865.
And you wonder why I am so cynical about him."

And yet again:

First you condemn Lincoln for wanting to help freed-slaves migrate out of the US,
Then you condemn him for wanting to make freed-slaves into full US citizens!

How insane is that?

DiogenesLamp: "And "end of his life"?
Lincoln did not know this was the "end of his life."
He probably figured he had at least another 20 years to go, and congressmen and senators elected on the support of black votes, which would bolster his party's hold on power, sounds like a fine idea to him."

Sadly, you have that entirely wrong too.

Last known photo of Lincoln, April 1865:

Yes, by the end of 1864, both Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were in deteriorating health conditions, though Davis later recovered and lived another 25 years, until 1889.

But Lincoln's condition was different and arguably fatal, including:

His thin frame, sunken eyes, and gaunt appearance were noted by others at the time.
Lincoln's tall stature is often associated with Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia type 2B (MEN 2B) and/or Marfan syndrome.
Either condition would end Lincoln's life well before age 60, and Lincoln was 56 in 1865.
Lincoln suffered severe depression ("melancholia") all his life and by 1864 I think it may have made him reckless to the point of suicidal.
One example was almost getting himself killed in July 1864 by recklessly standing on a parapet at Fort Stevens (NW Washington, DC), drawing fire from a Confederate sniper.
It's said the bullet missed Lincoln and hit an aid.

Other US presidents have been shot, or shot at, but Lincoln is the only one ever shot at in battle while president.

So, by the end of 1864, both Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were in deteriorating health conditions but, while Davis lived on another 25 years (until December 1889), Lincoln's conditions -- Marfan syndrome or MEN-2B -- would have capped his expected lifespan well before age 60.
For certain, Lincoln appeared gaunt and sickly in 1865.

DiogenesLamp: "Illegal immigrants are the ones they are trying to give votes too now, and it was freed blacks back in 1868, but the rational is the same.
They don't care about the actual people, but they very greatly care that with their support, they will gain and hold power in Washington DC, because that's where the money is."

And so, yet again, you condemn Lincoln for helping freed-slaves migrate out of the US and you condemn Lincoln for helping freed-slaves become full citizens.

So now it's time for DiogenesLamp to confess your own opinion in this matter: you believe that Lincoln should have returned all slaves to their former "masters" while letting those "masters", in Winfield Scott's words of March 1861: "wayward sisters, depart in peace!"

And despite this, you, DiogenesLamp rejects any claims that you yourself "are absolutely the definition of racism and white supremacy.", right?