Posted on 03/28/2025 12:50:16 AM PDT by xxqqzz
0:04 flight up in Toronto Canada that 0:07 impacted the ground so hard that the 0:09 right wing came off the airplane the 0:10 airplane rolled over you recall this one 0:13 uh and everybody had to scoot out the 0:15 over Wing exit there were no fatalities 0:18 on this several injuries but minor in 0:20 nature let's take another look at that 0:22 on the video and then I'll pick up 0:24 because I've got in my hot little hand 0:26 the report on that flight let's see 0:36 oh 0:38 oh oh no no no no 0:42 no oh 0:46 that's to you're seeing this airplane 0:49 just crashing 0:52 23 all right it's out now folks finally 0:54 the Air transport safety investigation 0:57 that's the equivalent of the NTSB but up 0:59 in Canada 1:00 they've done an extremely thorough job 1:02 here it's about 18 to 20 pages of 1:04 details about that flight and we've seen 1:07 that airplane roll over over and over 1:09 and over again on TV uh I'm going to 1:11 talk about my initial analysis and make 1:13 some adjustments uh on that from my 1:16 first conclusions based on what I'm 1:18 reading in front of me and then add some 1:20 things that I think are kind of shocking 1:22 and in addition to that there is 1:24 something that's been said about the 1:25 crew that is just completely wrong and 1:27 I'll clarify that again by the end the 1:30 conditions that day up in on the 17th of 1:32
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They scraped the flight crew from the bottom of the bucket.
The cross wind caused the right wing to drop and they never brought it back up. Instead, they allowed the right landing gear to hit so hard, a part attached to the right landing gear broke off. In a matter of seconds, the jet rolled to its right, still skidding down the runway, causing the right wing to snap off. The fuel stored that wing burst into flames as the plane came to a stop upside down.
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Cross winds do not cause a wing to drop. They will move the plane off the runway centerline. Pilots crab into a cross wind by flying straight at a heading that will keep the plane on centerline.
What happened here is that the inexperienced pilot likely had target fixation. When landing, your focus shifts from the touchdown point to the end of the runway. In poor visibility, it is difficult to do so. When you stare at the ground rushing up to you, it is easy to freeze and continue into what you are focusing on.
It is a common problem for new pilots and motorcycle riders. If you are riding a motorcycle and get into a turn a little too fast, it is easy to stare at, and ride into, the edge of the road you are trying to avoid. Focusing on the end of the turn will get you through.
This pilot literally flew the plane into the numbers, snapping the landing gear and rolling the airplane. There was zero flare.
The pilot had help.
The guy sitting next to her did nothing.
The question outstanding is why.
The guy sitting next to her was along for the ride. He was getting his hours in so he could return to his job as a simulator instructor.
He was mentally unprepared to supervise, let alone take over, this flight. The pilot flying was unqualified but checked the right boxes.
Massive DEI fail on Delta’s part.
DEI strikes again.
This is not slanderous slur on anyone. It is about NOT picking someone for a job just to meet some artificial DEI statistics.
From the transcript:
“...I just don’t think either one of them saw it developing the way they should have and they certainly didn’t respond appropriately or quickly enough in that incident. So the big shocker and the big takeaway for me on this is this one um the captain’s low time and the captain’s non- assertiveness as a situation is developing. Yeah, were they Landing under challenging circumstances yeah they should have been briefing that and they should have been aware of that. And they should have been on edge to go around if they needed to....”
Contrary to the expert insight offered by many Freepers, Captain Steeeve says the FO screwed up but so did the Captain because it was his responsibility to keep the FO from breaking the airplane.
From the FAA's Airplane Flying Handbook:
There are two usual methods of accomplishing a crosswind approach and landing—the crab method and the wing-low (sideslip) method. Although the crab method may be easier for the pilot to maintain during final approach, it requires judgment and precise timing when removing the crab immediately prior to touchdown. The wing-low method is recommended in most cases, although a combination of both methods may be used. While current testing standards allow for either method, pilots should learn to do both.
(https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/airplane_handbook/10_afh_ch9.pdf)
You're right, the crosswind doesn't CAUSE the wing to drop. However, if the pilot is using the FAA's recommended technique, HE WILL touch down with the a/c BANKED INTO THE WIND, meaning one main gear necessarily will touch down before the other.
In fact, the certificated maximum crosswind component of any airplane is based in part on how far the a/c can be banked into the wind AT TOUCHDOWN without risking a wingtip contacting the runway.
FWIW, the only airplane ever built that was designed to land in a crab is the Boeing B-52 bomber.
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I failed to note that professional pilots almost exclusively will crab until short final (because crabbing is more streamlined than slipping, and easier to control) and transition to a slip at touchdown because “judgment and precise timing” is what they do.
That is not a slip as might think.
LOL...told my wife the same thing a couple of hours after I read about this incident...some mile high shenanigans.
Swanson Frozen Crab
A Federal Judge just ruled that there must be no more hanky panky anywhere in America.
Kendal Swanson had a Swanson Frozen Fish moment at the switch. LOL!
This thread has covered everything by post 10 - except how amazing it is that no one died.
CRJ’s are flown to 15-30’ before transitioning from a crab angle to a wing-low configuration.
We will have to wait for the CDR, but at this rate of descent, something was going to break.
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