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To: RoosterRedux

I would give Russia that.

But you have to ask yourself why they want to keep Ukraine out of NATO. Is it because they just don’t want NATO encroachment, as they say, or is it because they want to invade Ukraine again in the future.

I would give Russia the “ironclad” agreement not to ask Ukraine into NATO, but they would have to understand and agree that it’s also ironclad that Ukraine will be protected with extreme prejudice if Russia ever invades it. That includes even if Russia claims that Ukraine attacked them.
If Russia can’t agree to those conditions, then they are tipping their hand about buying time for future invasions.


13 posted on 03/17/2025 6:16:25 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: z3n

The minerals deal would put many Americans and American interests in Ukraine and the Russian areas near Ukraine. That would serve as a good reason for Russia not to attack.


15 posted on 03/17/2025 6:22:43 AM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: z3n
There's a bit more to it. Europe would love to have Ukraine provide some natural gas from their deposits (not just passing Russian gas through Ukraine), without Russia forcing Ukraine to back down. Plus, Ukraine is the "breadbasket" of Europe.

Just like Russia has a good reason to not like NATO being next door in Ukraine, Ukraine and Europe have good reason to not want Russia controlling Ukraine.

26 posted on 03/17/2025 6:30:47 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: z3n

As a member of NATO, I can see Ukraine provoking Russia...(with Ukrainians living in Russia) and forcing NATO to defend Ukraine.


36 posted on 03/17/2025 6:51:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: z3n

Do not in NATO, but if Ukraine and Russia ever start fighting again, we attack Russia with extreme prejudice? That’s the same thing except for not standardizing Rifle cartridges.

And two problems. Ukraine started this war with the attacks on the Donbass. A defense pact would be a direct invitation for Ukraine to start new hostilities or launch a terror bombing and assassination campaign.

Two… attacking Russia with extreme prejudice is a good way to get nuked. America doesn’t need to have our rich history wiped out on behalf of Stepan Bandera and Svoboda. They just don’t matter that much to anyone except the Uke descendants and DC


39 posted on 03/17/2025 6:56:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: z3n

An agreement that if Ukraine ever attacks Russia, we come to Ukraine’s defense with extreme prejudice?

Great idea, wonder why nobody else thought of it?


41 posted on 03/17/2025 6:59:03 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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