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Russia must pay to rebuild Ukraine as price of peace, says Zelenskyy’s sacked general
The National ^ | 3/6/2025 | Thomas Harding

Posted on 03/06/2025 8:31:13 AM PST by marcusmaximus

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To: buwaya

That would be all part of the discussion, towards an agreement, wouldn’t it?

You can always war. That’s always an option. If you’re going to war against Russia, you better be prepared to murder 143 million citizens.

Is your hatred of Russians so deep that 143 millions are expendable to you, just to end the Russian federation? It was deep enough to eliminate 90% of all fertile Ukrainians, so it’s a natural question to ask. Ukrainians were expendable in the West to fight Russia.

Was it worth it?


41 posted on 03/06/2025 9:27:28 AM PST by Jonty30 (I have invented blackened salmon salad by baking it in the oven for too long. )
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To: rlmorel

Thats the little prick that made the statement that we Americans worship a superstition...the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.

Easy to say that living and posting in a backward hole of a cesspool country like Spain.


42 posted on 03/06/2025 9:29:53 AM PST by crz
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To: KobraKai; All

Russia will rebuild the conquest zones, duh. This is why it would be beneficial to the US if Russia takes all of The Ukraine.


This is uncertain. Russia may rebuild them. They have been important industrial areas.

On the other hand, Russia has lost enormous amounts of material, prestige, and manpower in this ill-begotten war.

Russia has far from infinite resources. Much damage has been done to Russian infrastructure. What is prioritized may be different than what outsiders might consider more important.

President Trump has announced an all-out increase in oil production. It is likely oil prices will drop, and with them, Russian income.


43 posted on 03/06/2025 9:30:03 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marcusmaximus

The Russians are and have been rebuilding the territories they already annexed.
Keep losing Z man. A good strategy actually. The less territory remains. The less you need to rebuild.
Genius!!😂


44 posted on 03/06/2025 9:32:48 AM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: crz

Figures.

I used to love Spain when I was in the Navy and went back multiple times to vacation there, but I lost all respect for them when they went into the fetal position after the Madrid train bombing.

If they ever should have stood up to be counted, that was the time.

His/Her/It’s condemnation of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution as a “superstition is completely in line with what it posts.

He/She/It posted to me that I should band together with other Freepers and hunt down foreigners I disagreed with in the USA and that the majority of people on this forum would be good with that.

I posted an abuse notice to the moderators about that vile post, but never heard back. Scumbag probably pays good money to come on this forum and be a POS.


45 posted on 03/06/2025 9:38:22 AM PST by rlmorel ("A people that elect corrupt politicians are not victims...but accomplices." George Orwell)
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To: marcusmaximus

What the failed general failed to tell people, is that the only thing Russia will be rebuilding is Russia proper. Whatever is left of an non-Russian Ukraine will most likely be put under the old Austro-Hungarian Empire members, and that Poland, Romania and Hungry do not cater to Bandaras Nazis.

Ukraine will cease to exist.

SecState Rubio has stated the United States has been engaged in a Proxy War against Russia and that we are ending it.

The EU and Ukraine worked hard to keep the NATO-CONS/DNC in power and failed, but their failure to read the tea leaves is astounding.

Trump is prepared to allow Russia to fix their nation as they would have done in 1991 and to reincorporate the lands that went in Ukraine back into Russia.

The admission that prior administration engaged in a Proxy War agianst Russia is huge. Trump is pivoting to securing Isarel, keeping Iran from going nuclear, and preparing to deal with China.

Trump’s talk of legitimate national interests and spheres of influence of the three Great Powers in the USA, China and Russia heard in period for at the next four years where wars can be adverted and each State can focus on their own security concerns.

Trump laid out the circle around the USA. The Russian circle includes Ukraine. China will probably be allowed a peaceful non-HK type acquisition of Taiwan as those will money in the island transition it into the US economy.


46 posted on 03/06/2025 9:39:57 AM PST by Jumper
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To: buwaya

SecState Rubio has stated for the record that the US has been engaged in a Proxy War against Russia and the Trump Admin is going to end it. Nuff said.


47 posted on 03/06/2025 9:42:26 AM PST by Jumper
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To: rlmorel

Oh well, it seems we need something else.

You know, once, 20 years ago, I had a datacenter exorcised? And as it happens, in process of the priest throwing holy water a flourescent bulb cracked and fell off its fixture. Startled us all.

I am old and sick, and I know I am going to go soon. I have no regrets. But you should give a thought here. This video is not a valid exorcism, but if you feel discomfort, get help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0nJCuZzFpA


48 posted on 03/06/2025 9:47:32 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Jonty30

Russia has lost plenty of wars without such losses.
Finland, Afghanistan, Russo-Chinese, Syria - not a lot of exterminating total wars actually. Just the one. Is this war the other one? I doubt it.


49 posted on 03/06/2025 9:53:02 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

I’m not saying you’d have to kill all of them, just keep killing them until they give up. Are you prepared to kill 90% of them just like this Ukraine general is willing to kill over 90% of fertile Ukrainians to win his war?


50 posted on 03/06/2025 9:56:09 AM PST by Jonty30 (I have invented blackened salmon salad by baking it in the oven for too long. )
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To: marcusmaximus

Or else what?


51 posted on 03/06/2025 9:59:26 AM PST by Tom in SFCA
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To: dp0622

What everyone seems to forget is that Europe is only starting to rearm now. Even if the reptiles in Europe are successful pushing the rearmament legislation through I highly doubt that it will be executed effectively and that any results will take years to arrive. By that time the matter will already be settled by Russia and the United States because right now, NATO is mostly just the United States.


52 posted on 03/06/2025 10:05:02 AM PST by wildcard_redneck ( )
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To: buwaya; Jonty30
If Putin had permitted EU accession 2014 he could maybe have asked for concessions.

Are you referring to the Color Revolution of 2014 which Victoria Nuland and our Own President fomented behind the scenes?
53 posted on 03/06/2025 10:09:57 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: marcusmaximus

When obamas fly out Zaluzhny’s butt...


54 posted on 03/06/2025 10:20:10 AM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: SoConPubbie

No. It was just before that, when Putin forced Yanukovych to flip his policy from assisting EU accession (which he was working on with all apparent sincerity) to opposing it. That was the fundamental cause for all subsequent events.


55 posted on 03/06/2025 10:23:15 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Jumper

“ SecState Rubio has stated for the record that the US has been engaged in a Proxy War against Russia and the Trump Admin is going to end it. Nuff said.”
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Yes and that is THE reason why the US is stopping sharing “intelligence” with Ukraine and its military.


56 posted on 03/06/2025 11:02:50 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MA)
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To: Owen

Probably worth noting that a Russia friendly government installed in Kiev would not face any huge difficulty in getting foreign aid for repairs.


But then who would help them while they are deporting and murdering every single non-Russian?


57 posted on 03/06/2025 11:49:18 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and miProbably worth noting that a Russia friendly governmene ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Probably worth noting that a Russia friendly government installed in Kiev would not face any huge difficulty in getting foreign aid for repairs.


But then who would help them while they are deporting and murdering every single non-Russian?

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Hard to know. I also could not know who would help you when space aliens arrive to abduct you and take you away.

For food.

About the same odds.


58 posted on 03/06/2025 1:12:42 PM PST by Owen
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To: Owen

Wonderful response!!


59 posted on 03/06/2025 4:00:53 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and miProbably worth noting that a Russia friendly governmene ... now its your turn)
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To: marcusmaximus

60 posted on 03/06/2025 10:00:00 PM PST by Allegra
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