Zelensky's post on X: NATO is the most cost-effective option for preventing another war

X ^ | Feb 23 | Z-Man

[RandFan]

@ZelenskyyUa

NATO is the most cost-effective option for preventing another war. It is the simplest and most logical solution.

If Ukraine does not join NATO, we will have to create NATO within Ukraine, which means maintaining an army strong enough to repel aggression, financing it, producing and storing enough of our own weapons, and negotiating with our partners about their participation to deter Russia from starting another war.

That’s why we are talking about a comprehensive system of security guarantees—military, economic, and political. We need to weigh everything—what is cheaper, what is more realistic, and what can be done faster.

I am grateful to everyone who supports Ukraine in our work toward real security.

[ransomnote]

NATO has been driving the war against Russia via NATO proxy Ukraine. Even when Ukraine wanted to stop fighting, NATO sent Boris JOhnson to keep the fighting going. NATO is now making Zelensky recommend NATO.
No. Just NO!

[Mariner]

Russia will provide the only security guarantees that Ukraine will get.

[McGruff]

Dead man walking.

[quantim]

What is this “we” stuff? I like President Trump’s approach, take half the minerals and oil in exchange FIRST, then negotiate for a longer term. Pretty sure the commies in Russia know it’s time back off too, face the music time.

[Owen]

The most cost effective way to prevent another war is to install a Russia-friendly government and keep it there.

[doc maverick]

“We need to leave NATO.”
Exactly.
NATO is nothing without the US.
That is why the Europeond are crapping themselves daily.

[quantim]

“This guy is probably the biggest grifter in history.

He’s got to wait decades, Xiden has no competition.

[nathanbedford]

If Trump's purpose was to reform NATO, he has failed miserably, so far.

If Trump's purpose was to disunite NATO, he is succeeding wonderfully, so far.

If conservatives believe that we are safer with NATO in disarray and even with America withdrawn, then you must believe that America is safer in an isolated, defensive posture that in no way preserves its existence except by nuclear deterrence or, God forbid, nuclear war.

If we think that America is safer as a citadel behind two oceans that dominates the West from Greenland to the Panama Canal, we should be unsettled by the fact that we have very short memories.

Our memories evidently do not extend to the precarious state of our national security in the isolationist days leading up to Pearl Harbor.

Our memories evidently do not extend to more recent time when we came to within an ace of being incinerated in the Cuban missile crisis.

Our memories evidently do not extend to an even more recent time when we were nearly incinerated by a bizarre misjudgment of the Soviet Navy that only by the narrowest chance was aborted from launching nuclear attack on the United States by a loan Soviet officer.

To his credit, Donald Trump clearly remembers these things and is determined to act prudently. Beyond steps listed above he seeks to end the Ukraine war. More than merely achieving a cease-fire, his imagination goes beyond that to the reintegration of Russia into the list a civilized nations. I hope he succeeds. But at the cost of NATO? At the cost of Europe? Even if he succeeds now in bringing Russia to a civilized condition, Trump has only 3+ years left to monitor things, after that? The deluge? Who will manage China? Can we do so from citadel America?

At this moment and for the foreseeable future Russia is a demoralized, corrupt and a week conventional military force. Putin's economy has been concentrated into war production threatening to crash the entire Russian economy. His days of distorting the economy and consigning untold young Russian men to death and dismemberment are coming to a close, and Putin himself must certainly recognize the threat to his power and, indeed, to his life.

Therefore, Russia poses no realistic conventional threat to any other NATO country for many years. But Russia remains perhaps the world's most powerful nuclear threat with China hard on its heels.

Let's go back down memory lane one more time. Do you recall 1980s when millions of Europeans (and not a few leftist Americans) filled the streets, especially the streets of Germany, in protest against President Reagan's installation of missiles in Europe?

In the four decades since, both Europe and America have changed the very essence of their identity with unbridled immigration of alien cultures and worldviews reinforcing a general drift leftward resulting in engrossing power of the state at the expense of essential human rights of the kind expressed in our Bill of Rights. In short, Europe and America under the influence of the 1619 movement, under the influence of woke madness and distorted by alien immigration, are even less likely to muster the grit to face up to Pearl Harbor or to another Cuban missile crisis.

China will not conquer America by sending its Marines to storm the beaches of San Diego, rather it's tentacles will remorselessly constrict closer and closer to our citadel until threat of nuclear annihilation causes our own demoralized civil populace to demand peace at any price.

They will be able to say that we have no allies in the world. They will be able to say we have no trade partners so our economy has shrunk, they will be able to say that we have no affinity either culturally, philosophically or militarily with Europe. They will say the whole world is against us, we are alone and, besides, our system is not worth defending.

China will not conquer us, it will simply absorb us.

But we will surely have taught those euro weenies a lesson they won't forget.

[delta7]

Get rid of Zelensky and the war stops. Then keep the CIA, Nuland and a host of others from engineering another coup ( Maidan 2014).

Of course carving up Ukraine back to its historic territories ( Poland, Russia, Hungary, Romania) would also do that.

[redfreedom]

NATO is cost effective? Well, considering the US pays the lion’s share, it might be for the Euroweenies. And if the Ukraine gets NATO membership, then we are talking about a war, and there’s nothing cost effective there.

Payments to NATO should be structured so the Euroweenies pay their fair share, or NATO is dissolved. Imagine, how all the European socialists would cry like babies if NATO fell apart and the US quit defending their sorry asses.

[Chewbarkah]

I wish Ukraine all the best, but it has never been able to pay its own way, much less finance a huge military establishment.

It’s dependent on outside assistance now, and that is nothing
new. Russia subsidized Ukrainian energy for decades, and then had to write off billions in energy debt every few years. Ukrainian leaders would sell out Ukraine to Russia politically to get the energy tap turned back on (and to Biden big bucks for themselves). Ukraine will be looking for a new sugar daddy.

[nwrep]

They will be able to say that we have no allies in the world. They will be able to say we have no trade partners so our economy has shrunk, they will be able to say that we have no affinity either culturally, philosophically or militarily with Europe. They will say the whole world is against us, we are alone and, besides, our system is not worth defending.

Respectfully, isolationist nationalism is the way of the future. All countries are weary of the history of entanglements. We are best off with leaving NATO, and disengaging from Europe, with whom we increasingly have little in common. After all, Europe is just as totalitarian as China, but as an added paradox, is actually hostile to Western Civilization values, unlike China.

[TexasGator]

“Of course carving up Ukraine back to its historic territories ( Poland, Russia, Hungary, Romania) would also do that.”

First, western Russia was a part of Ukraine.

[SmokingJoe]

From X in reply to Zelenskyy’s nonsense:

“For you perhaps. Who demands:

Unlimited Cash
Unlimited Weapons
Unlimited Ammunition
Missiles
Tanks
F-16s
Military Support
Stolen Russian Money
EU Membership
NATO Membership

and all for FREE with absolutely no accountability for any of it!

“On yer bike!””

https://x.com/myscotlandtoday/status/1893838879305720289?t=uBv2-67_q049X4IawdNCug&s=19

[Nervous Tick]

Screw that grifting piece of sh!t. Who cares what he thinks, or says?

[Allegra]

Yeesh. Give it a rest, Zelensky. 🙄

I’m so tired of this guy.

[right way right]

Sure Z, just have the 300 B by Next Tuesday.
If you don’t have it we roll it into the principle at 3 points.

Every Monday Z!
See you.

Regards, Uncle Sam.

[MinorityRepublican]

Respectfully, isolationist nationalism is the way of the future. All countries are weary of the history of entanglements. We are best off with leaving NATO, and disengaging from Europe, with whom we increasingly have little in common. After all, Europe is just as totalitarian as China, but as an added paradox, is actually hostile to Western Civilization values, unlike China.

China is a traditional great power.

The MIC sees China as a threat. I do not see it that way. But we should respect them as a great power. Part of the game. Like France, the British Empire, etc during 19th Century.

We should have friendly relations with all nations and we should trade with them. Kind of like India. India is neutral.

We should follow their lead.

[Kazan]

If Ukraine does not join NATO, we will have to create NATO within Ukraine, which means maintaining an army strong enough to repel aggression, financing it, producing and storing enough of our own weapons, and negotiating with our partners about their participation to deter Russia from starting another war.

Or you and your country can learn to live in peace with the Russians. If not, your country deserves to cease existing.

[boycott]

Zelensky would be just like the globalist European scumbag deep-state leaders that hate Trump and the values of the American people. We don’t need more Euro-Dirtbags having us pick up their defense bills.