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To: marcusmaximus
In total, the US has appropriated (etc.) $183 billion in support for Ukraine. At this point, about $100 billion has been disbursed. Of that $100 billion, some went to Ukraine as weapons, some went to US weapons manufacturers for new weapons to replace / upgrade old weapons sent, a relatively small amount was financial aid and humanitarian aid, and some actually went to other countries supporting Ukraine.

See US IG report, Sept. 30, 2024, and adjust for a few more months.

Asking repayment for humanitarian aid would be despicable. A hefty deduction for weapons soon to be scrapped anyway is also in order. OTOH, the US would in most scenarios continue support to Ukraine until Trump's "quick deal" was in place. So... let's say that on a cold-hearted business basis, Ukraine is on the hook for US $120 billion.

What dollar amount of minerals did Trump ask for? That tells us if his deal was reasonable.

...On a VERY cold basis.

8 posted on 02/20/2025 5:24:34 PM PST by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Paul R.

I think Zelensky’s key concerns with the deal are security guarantees as well as the minerals in Russian-occupied territories were excluded in the initial proposal.


11 posted on 02/20/2025 5:35:10 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: Paul R.

WHO CARES??!

And “despicable”??

Why?!

We’re a charity now?!

Lots of money was stolen/wasted/abused.

I Want it ALL back.

And I dont care how we get it.

There’s a new sheriff in town.

Get used to it.


14 posted on 02/20/2025 5:47:20 PM PST by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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To: Paul R.

“In total, the US has appropriated (etc.) $183 billion in support for Ukraine.”

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Yes, I believe that 183 billion is the total promised aid/loan.

What’s been truly forwarded so far is $114 billion to Ukraine. I remember I saw those numbers from the KIEL Institute.


16 posted on 02/20/2025 5:57:42 PM PST by USA-FRANCE (The Iran-Russia-North Korea-China Alliance is at war against Israel and Ukraine. Let's not forget.)
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To: Paul R.

“Asking repayment for humanitarian aid would be despicable.”

Why? Giving aid to foreigners before we care for our own. We could have used that money to care for our own people but we gave it to Ukraine instead. They should pay us back so we can use it at home.


46 posted on 02/21/2025 1:33:07 AM PST by rxh4n1
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