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Because We Said So - wild animals must be free from violence, and big oil has to stop burning altadena
Tell Me How This Ends ^ | 29 Jan, 2025 | Chris Bray

Posted on 01/31/2025 7:32:37 AM PST by MtnClimber

Related thoughts on injury and responsibility, as they show up in several different discussions this week.

First, the madness of the California state legislature is richly displayed in Senator Scott Wiener’s remarkable new bill that would allow people to sue the oil industry because climate change damaged their property, via “natural catastrophe, including a hurricane, tornado, storm, high water, wind-driven water, tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, landslide, mudslide, snowstorm, or drought, or, regardless of cause, a fire, flood, or explosion.”

I hope you caught that “regardless of cause” thing, there at the end. If this bill passes — it won’t, being mostly a theatrical performance, but let’s pretend — Californians will supposedly be able to sue Chevron or ExxonMobil (and so on) because a flood or fire damages their property, which implicates fossil fuel-induced climate change, regardless of the cause of the flood or fire.

1. I threw matches on your couch

2. Climate change

3. Big Oil burned your couch

On the hook: anyone who sold “fossil fuels” in California “since the year 1965,” although a lawsuit has to be brought within three years of the discovery of the damage caused by the fossil fuel’s effect on the climate.

Favorite part, and look at item #2:

I’m not a lawyer, but I have doubts about declaring in a law that you can’t question the constitutionality of the law. We had similar legal doctrines on the playground in elementary school, despite which some members of the first-grade community controversially persisted in utilizing the disallowed tag-back.

Wiener’s press release on the bill is…very special. California government knows why the recent fires were so harmful, and none of it involves California government. Sample quote from, please help me, the state senator who represents my district:

“The Eaton Fire destroyed over 9,000 structures in my District, wiping out almost the entire town of Altadena, leaving thousands of my residents calling for justice and accountability,” said Sen. Sasha Renée Pérez (D-Pasadena). “Our communities have never seen anything like this in urban Los Angeles. The reality is that climate change is here and will continue impacting communities everywhere. What makes this worse is decades ago, Big Oil knew this would be our future, but prioritized lining their own pockets at the expense of our environment and the health of our communities. The Affordable Insurance and Climate Recovery Act will hold the oil industry responsible for the damage it has inflicted, and provide relief for future communities impacted by climate disasters.”

Decades ago, Big Oil knew Altadena would burn, but they did it anyway. Case closed.

I’m also quite fond of the senator’s use of “my residents,” which sounds like she’s buying up dead souls to expand her vassalage. I pay her in grain, of course.

Second, in search of some clarity on a recent topic, today I downloaded the federal lawsuit that led to the settlement which ends most cattle ranching at Point Reyes National Seashore. It’s remarkably complicated, dragging in two federally managed areas and a laundry list of laws. The plaintiffs asked the courts to “adjudge that NPS violated the Point Reyes Act, the Organic Act, the National Environmental Policy Act, the Clean Water Act, and/or the Administrative Procedure Act in adopting the Record of Decision, the General Management Plan Amendment, and the Final Environmental Impact Statement for Point Reyes National Seashore and the Northern District of Golden Gate National Recreation Area.” It’s not easy to unpack all of that, but you can read the whole thing here if you’re both interested in the topic and an enthusiastic masochist: ....SNIP


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: california; calinutters; fruitsandnuts; leftism; nutters
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1 posted on 01/31/2025 7:32:37 AM PST by MtnClimber
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What attracts so many crazy people to California?


2 posted on 01/31/2025 7:33:01 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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Wild animals must be free from violence? Has this guy seen how a fox kills a rabbit? Or how a coyote kills a fox? Or how a bear kills an elk?


3 posted on 01/31/2025 7:34:18 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: MtnClimber

I suspect that CA voter registration roles have been so corrupted by the Alt Left running CA that there is no hope for free and honest elections in CA ever again.

CA is now basically the US equivalent of Venezuela.


4 posted on 01/31/2025 7:36:59 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Don't blame me, my congressman is MTG!)
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To: MtnClimber

“What attracts so many crazy people to California?”

California crazy is the best kind of crazy.


5 posted on 01/31/2025 7:38:01 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE (‘Never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals’)
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To: MtnClimber

as was told to when I turned 18, “when the founders were putting these United States of America together they upended the entire country and everything that was loose shifted to California”. my BIL was from California and always called it the cereal state...fruits, nuts and flakes. he moved to Florida because he hated cereal.


6 posted on 01/31/2025 7:43:25 AM PST by Qwapisking (Q: know the difference between a petulant 6 y.o. and a liberal? A:age. L.Star )
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To: MtnClimber

I think it would be an interesting social experiment to let this bill pass. My reason: I want to see how long it would take those “horrible” oil companies to pull out of CA. My guess is that the bill would render 95% of automobiles in CA useless and they would disappear as they are moved or sold outside of CA. The grid cannot support EV’s to the extent CA needs them. Time to buy stock in Schwinn...


7 posted on 01/31/2025 7:46:02 AM PST by econjack
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To: MtnClimber

It’s possible they start sane, but are impacted by valley fever.

Everyone who has spent enough time there has coccidioides fungus in their lungs.


8 posted on 01/31/2025 7:46:06 AM PST by fruser1
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To: MtnClimber

Altadena allegedly burned because of an electrical fire.


9 posted on 01/31/2025 7:49:49 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

I was working in my Florida yard yesterday afternoon.

Late in the day the temperature started dropping fast.

The CO2 didn’t stop the temperature drop.


10 posted on 01/31/2025 7:57:45 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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The Santa Ana winds are not going to cease because Big Oil got fleeced.


11 posted on 01/31/2025 8:01:28 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

CA stands for Crazy America.


12 posted on 01/31/2025 8:01:34 AM PST by rey
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To: MtnClimber

Classic ambulance chaser. You have to sue whoever has the money, or else it is a waste and unwinnable. Can’t sue the State, so sue Oil Companies.


13 posted on 01/31/2025 8:06:56 AM PST by Eli Kopter (Gentle elves set light to lead the Faroes on the starry way from age to age - U. of Faroe Islands)
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Shut it down, shut it all down. No more gas, diesel or natural gas for California. I give it two weeks (probably less) before the state is brought to their knees. The people will have pitchforks and the politicians will be scared as they should be.


14 posted on 01/31/2025 8:09:13 AM PST by gunnut
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To: Eli Kopter

Bingo.


15 posted on 01/31/2025 8:15:36 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: MtnClimber

I think Senator Scott Wiener may have been smoking too much northern california sinsemilla. Eureka, Scott?


16 posted on 01/31/2025 8:16:03 AM PST by kawhill (How to maximize your loyalty perks. A free alternative to global entry.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Many species of wild animals live by inflicting violence on other wild animals. It’s their job.


17 posted on 01/31/2025 8:25:21 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: MtnClimber

There is a similar bill in the Oregon Legislature that takes it even further.

Catchline/Summary: Provides that parties that have caused a certain amount of greenhouse gas emissions are strictly liable to harmed parties for damages incurred as a result of extreme weather attributable to climate change or a climate disaster.

I wrote the sponsor of the bill (an extreme climate kook) to ask how exactly he intended to quantify the “harms.” I doubt I’ll hear anything from him.

Insane.


18 posted on 01/31/2025 8:27:11 AM PST by ten18
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To: MtnClimber; Brian Griffin; rey; Qwapisking; Eli Kopter
“natural catastrophe, including a hurricane"

I found the link to this map with the individual hurricanes pinpointed that hit land at Free Republic. I decided to see if the upward sloping curve I have always heard about from the climate change people that indicates more extreme weather made any sense. Like everything else it doesn’t.

For anything as complex as weather, any single year or a couple consecutive years of events is just random. Grouping in ten-year segments seems to provide information.

173 Years of US Hurricane Strikes

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4285273/posts

1851-60: 17

1861-70: 17

1871-80: 20

1881-90: 20

1891-00: 28

1901-10: 23

1911-20: 21

1921-30: 17

1931-40: 24

1941-50: 31

1951-60: 35

1961-70: 17

1971-80: 15

1981-90: 18

1991-00: 15

2001-10: 23

2011-20: 19

2021-24: 12

19 posted on 01/31/2025 8:44:50 AM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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What attracts so many crazy people to California?

Grease trap theory

California is warm, at least southern half attract homeless and people with mental issues Once there become trapped by Pacific Ocean to the west and Mexico to the south, north too cold and east is all desert

Same thing applies to why Florida attracts crazies


20 posted on 01/31/2025 8:46:27 AM PST by njslim
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