Posted on 01/23/2025 1:21:56 PM PST by MtnClimber
This was posted yesterday:
“If my wife and I fly to Paris and she has a baby there I and she in no way would believe that the child has any connection to France. To think otherwise about American Law requires fantastical thinking. Birthright citizenship phrasing is Orwellian. Lose the phrase. It’s ridiculous.”
“As an aside, after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese in California did not ‘take up the sword’ for Emperor Hirohito.”
No, but in Hawaii they did.
So if the question is are the parents subject to Jury Duty, for non US citizens the answer is no in red states. Which would imply not subject to jurisdiction.
“I just heard on Fox that Ireland ended this nonsensical practice by way of a national referendum.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
An intelligent and honest SCOTUS will agree that the 14th Amendment does not say any aho that lands on U.S. soil is an American.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident
A damaged Zero from Pearl Harbor crash landed on Niihau Island. The locals did not know of the attack. Issei and Nisei on the island found out when they acted as translators. Instead of honestly translating, they assisted the Jap pilot and armed him and the Hawaiians were hostages.
Some Hawaiians rowed to Kauai for help. Eventually one big Samoan broke the Jap pilot’s back over a rock wall.
Roosevelt and the Army was aware of that incident when they conducted the internment. It was for enemies, not race. Chinese were treated fine here during the war.
In the amendment, the clause was changed to deal with the likely problem of American Indians who paid tax but often acted up at the time on their own tribal leaders’ request and not at the behest of a foreign power:
“The locals did not know of the attack. Issei and Nisei on the island found out when they acted as translators. Instead of honestly translating, they assisted the Jap pilot and armed him and the Hawaiians were hostages.”
Perhaps the translators feared the emperor’s pilot would finger them if the main force landed on the island within hours.
“Birthright citizenship phrasing is Orwellian. Lose the phrase. It’s ridiculous.”
THIS
Very probably so. It’s fascinating to read about. That almost uninhabited island was designated as a submarine rescue pickup point for any pilot who made it there.
And I might be wrong, but I think the big Hawaiian was decorated for his bravery and loyalty.
There is no shortage of attorneys who believe as Eastman does - Alan Dershowitz - Jonathan Turley - Greg Jarrett - for three of the best!
::Why is it so important to those states that children of illegals be citizens?::
Good question but unfortunately, there are always more questions here than answers - pure speculation most of the time without specifics!!!
“...there is already ample clear evidence that require no speculation what “subject to the jurisdiction” means.”
If that were true, then we wouldn’t be having all the discussion and disagreement today. Obviously the leftists are twisting the words to suit their needs and goals.
While we agree in large measure, I must object to your view that Vivek Ramaswamy is an NBC. To make sure we are on the same page, it is my understanding neither of Vivek’s parents were permanent residents nor naturalized citizens at the time of Vivek’s birth within the jurisdiction.
The way birthright citizenship is practiced at present...
-A baby born aboard an airliner merely passing over US territory might be considered a citizen.
-A baby born in a clinic built up against the Mexican side of the yet-to-be-completed border wall might be considered a citizen since the wall is, in most areas, a few feet inside US territory...
The insanity of our situation is clear.... these absurd possibilities and many others will be detailed before the supreme court.
This was meant for the protection of black slaves after the CW. Democrats held that these newly minted citizens would vote republican since Lincoln was a republican thus democrats were afraid of the amendment.
In the writings made at the time of passage of the fourteenth amendment can be found the true intent of the writers and those who voted for the amendment. They held that it was not meant for those illegally in the country and said such in plain language.
This will be shut down by the courts.
Again, it has long since been adjudicated that anyone born on U.S. soil whose parents are LEGALLY in the U.S. but not citizens (legal “aliens”) is an NBC. That would make Vivek an NBC.
Bkmk
I can see what’s coming. All chimpanzees born on American soil are going to be U.S. Citizens.
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