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FR (For how long?) ^ | Jan 18 | RF

Posted on 01/18/2025 12:52:12 AM PST by RandFan

Dismayed by the amount of support the TikTok Ban is getting and a Unanimous decision by the men and women in black robes further alarms me and will just embolden the Feds and Congress to engage in more online censorship.

How come some (most?) Freepers don't see this? Are you still watching the networks and believing the foreign entity stuff?

You understand that the legislation is broader than that?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: ban; ccpspyware; chicoms; closedmind; commiemalware; concerntroll; pantiesinabunch; socialmedia; tiktok; tokeagainandcalmdown; weeweedup
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To: Nervous Tick

“Libertarianism is a mental condition.”

...until they start treating you like meat in the name of “national security”.


101 posted on 01/18/2025 4:14:35 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: Sirius Lee

The computers/servers are in VA and under US control as is the internet infrastructure still

China puts a great big firewall around their’s ...


102 posted on 01/18/2025 4:14:35 AM PST by RandFan
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To: jimfree

Which is more dangerous:

—A foreign adversary using an app to spy on Americans and manipulate American opinion
—Domestic intelligence and other agencies using an app to spy on Americans and manipulate American opinion

I think they are equally dangerous—total coin flip.

Congress refuses to help us deal with the second threat.

The hypocrisy on this issue is kinda obvious.


103 posted on 01/18/2025 4:26:56 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: RandFan

The Chinese infrastructure will be replaced and the same kind of content will flourish, unfortunately.


104 posted on 01/18/2025 4:40:05 AM PST by Theophilus (covfefe)
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To: RandFan
The TikTok ban is predicated on preventing China (CCP) from collecting private information from Americans through a Chinese owned/controlled app.

I'm good with the SCOTUS decision. For the sake of national and personal security, we should block/stop/outlaw all things Chinese/CCP - IMHO.

FR is not a Chinese controlled app. Let's not gaslight the SCOTUS decision.

105 posted on 01/18/2025 4:46:06 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: RandFan

I would agree. If they can ban an app, then they can ban a forum. I do not know the details of the law though.


106 posted on 01/18/2025 4:47:37 AM PST by caver ( )
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To: RandFan

You are right on target and I’m starting to see many Freepers agreeing.


107 posted on 01/18/2025 4:48:42 AM PST by Chengdu54 (This is a time for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. )
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To: Chengdu54

I’m surprised I’m not being flamed more

So it’s not 100-1 or huge opposition to what im saying.

Which I never expected for a law that went through Congress and the SCOTUS with huge majorities. See my initial apprehensive comment about swimming against the tide

People are waking up. Next week will be interesting to see what happens.

It’s going to take some effort to get Congress to reverse it though so I’m not hopeful about it.

The damage is done. They cleverly stopped the next Admin from doing anything with the Jan 19 date.

Freepers should know this is a Deep State move and they wanted to tie Donald’s hands....


108 posted on 01/18/2025 4:55:13 AM PST by RandFan
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To: Drago

Thanks for the link. The act is defined as “PROHIBITION OF FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS.”
If FreeRepublic purchased by one of this countries enemies, sayonara.


109 posted on 01/18/2025 5:04:54 AM PST by Varda
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To: cgbg

We have an incoming administration that clearly understands that difference after being spied on by political vultures. Let us see how this develops.


110 posted on 01/18/2025 5:05:26 AM PST by jimfree (My 21 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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To: RandFan

If I understand this correctly, based on the TikTok ban, FRee Republic is owned by the Chinese and Mr. Robinson has only a couple of days to sell FR to an American company.

Is that what you are implying?


111 posted on 01/18/2025 5:37:29 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Drill Baby Drill!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

If they were so inclined to do this they can under that stupid law

Even an investigation can be damaging and lead to debanking and harming FR or any other site if they decide to do so.

One day they might.

It’s all at the Feds discretion. This is what some of us do not like in terms of the legislation and the way it’s worded


112 posted on 01/18/2025 5:44:29 AM PST by RandFan
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To: jimfree

Hopefully the new administration learned the proper lessons from history.

The only way to get rid of the Gestapo is to get rid of the Gestapo.

Denazification of the Gestapo is a doomed plan.


113 posted on 01/18/2025 5:46:13 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: RandFan

the mods and little old lady types already censor free republic.


114 posted on 01/18/2025 5:50:47 AM PST by ronniesgal ( so is it okay that I said that??? GO TRUMP GO!!!!)
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To: fluorescence

Foreign adversary to the deep state is Elon Musk.


115 posted on 01/18/2025 5:59:36 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: cgbg

A reasonable argument yours is.


116 posted on 01/18/2025 6:10:13 AM PST by jimfree (My 21 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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To: RandFan

While I am not OK with this it is being considered an action against an intelligence gathering asset of a foreign adversarial government.

I cannot fathom though, what possible intelligence value all the time tok content I have seen provides.

Leads me to the conclusion something unspoken is going on here.


117 posted on 01/18/2025 6:13:08 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: RandFan

FR isn’t controlled by China.


118 posted on 01/18/2025 6:14:37 AM PST by AppyPappy (If Hitler were alive today and criticized Trump, would he still be Hitler?)
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To: RandFan
Referred in Senate (03/14/2024)
[Congressional Bills 118th Congress]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]
[H.R. 7521 Referred in Senate (RFS)]


118th CONGRESS
  2d Session
H. R. 7521

_______________________________________________________________________


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 14, 2024

Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce,
Science, and Transportation

_______________________________________________________________________


AN ACT

To protect the national security of the United States from the threat
posed by foreign adversary controlled applications, such as TikTok and
any successor application or service and any other application or
service developed or provided by ByteDance Ltd. or an entity under the
control of ByteDance Ltd

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the "Protecting Americans from Foreign
Adversary Controlled Applications Act".


SEC. 2. PROHIBITION OF FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS.

       (a) In General.--

                   (1) Prohibition of foreign adversary controlled
            applications.--It shall be unlawful for an entity to
            distribute, maintain, or update (or enable the distribution,
            maintenance, or updating of) a foreign adversary controlled
            application by carrying out, within the land or maritime
            borders of the United States, any of the following:
                             (A) Providing services to distribute, maintain, or
                        update such foreign adversary controlled application
                        (including any source code of such application) by
                        means of a marketplace (including an online mobile
                        application store) through which users within the land
                        or maritime borders of the United States may access,
                        maintain, or update such application.
                             (B) Providing internet hosting services to enable
                        the distribution, maintenance, or updating of such
                        foreign adversary controlled application for users
                        within the land or maritime borders of the United
                        States.
                   (2) Applicability.--Subsection (a) shall apply--
                             (A) in the case of an application that satisfies
                        the definition of a foreign adversary controlled
                        application pursuant to subsection (g)(3)(A), beginning
                        on the date that is 180 days after the date of the
                        enactment of this Act; and
                             (B) in the case of an application that satisfies
                        the definition of a foreign adversary controlled
                        application pursuant to subsection (g)(3)(B), beginning
                        on the date that is 180 days after the date of the
                        relevant determination of the President under such
                        subsection.

       (b) Data and Information Portability to Alternative Applications.--
            Before the date on which a prohibition under subsection (a) applies to
            a foreign adversary controlled application, the entity that owns or
            controls such application shall provide, upon request by a user of such
            application within the land or maritime borders of United States, to
            such user all the available data related to the account of such user
            with respect to such application. Such data shall be provided in a
            machine readable format and shall include any data maintained by such
            application with respect to the account of such user, including content
            (including posts, photos, and videos) and all other account
            information.

       (c) Exemptions.--
                   (1) Exemptions for qualified divestitures.--Subsection (a)--
                                (A) does not apply to a foreign adversary
                        controlled application with respect to which a
                        qualified divestiture is executed before the date on
                        which a prohibition under subsection (a) would begin to
                        apply to such application; and
                                (B) shall cease to apply in the case of a foreign
                        adversary controlled application with respect to which
                        a qualified divestiture is executed after the date on
                        which a prohibition under subsection (a) applies to
                        such application.
                   (2) Exemptions for certain necessary services.--Subsections
                        (a) and (b) do not apply to services provided with respect to a
                        foreign adversary controlled application that are necessary for
                        an entity to attain compliance with such subsections.

       (d) Enforcement.--
                   (1) Civil penalties.--
                                (A) Foreign adversary controlled application
                        violations.--An entity that violates subsection (a)
                        shall be subject to pay a civil penalty in an amount
                        not to exceed the amount that results from multiplying
                        $5,000 by the number of users within the land or
                        maritime borders of the United States determined to
                        have accessed, maintained, or updated a foreign
                        adversary controlled application as a result of such
                        violation.
                                (B) Data and information violations.--An entity
                        that violates subsection (b) shall be subject to pay a
                        civil penalty in an amount not to exceed the amount
                        that results from multiplying $500 by the number of
                        users within the land or maritime borders of the United
                        States affected by such violation.
                   (2) Actions by attorney general.--The Attorney General--
                                (A) shall conduct investigations related to
                        potential violations of subsection (a) or (b), and, if
                        such an investigation results in a determination that a
                        violation has occurred, the Attorney General shall
                        pursue enforcement under paragraph (1); and
                                (B) may bring an action in an appropriate district
                        court of the United States for appropriate relief,
                        including civil penalties under paragraph (1) or
                        declaratory and injunctive relief.

       (e) Severability.--
                   (1) In general.--If any provision of this section or the
                        application of this section to any person or circumstance is
                        held invalid, the invalidity shall not affect the other
                        provisions or applications of this section that can be given
                        effect without the invalid provision or application.
                   (2) Subsequent determinations.--If the application of any
                        provision of this section is held invalid with respect to a
                        foreign adversary controlled application that satisfies the
                        definition of such term pursuant to subsection (g)(3)(A), such
                        invalidity shall not affect or preclude the application of the
                        same provision of this section to such foreign adversary
                        controlled application by means of a subsequent determination
                        pursuant to subsection (g)(3)(B).

       (f) Rule of Construction.--Nothing in this Act may be construed--
                   (1) to authorize the Attorney General to pursue
                        enforcement, under this section, other than enforcement of
                        subsection (a) or (b);
                   (2) to authorize the Attorney General to pursue
                        enforcement, under this section, against an individual user of
                        a foreign adversary controlled application; or
                   (3) except as expressly provided herein, to alter or affect
                        any other authority provided by or established under another
                        provision of Federal law.

       (g) Definitions.--In this section:
                   (1) Controlled by a foreign adversary.--The term
                        "controlled by a foreign adversary" means, with respect to a
                        covered company or other entity, that such company or other
                        entity is--
                                            (A) a foreign person that is domiciled in, is
                                  headquartered in, has its principal place of business
                                  in, or is organized under the laws of a foreign
                                  adversary country;
                                            (B) an entity with respect to which a foreign
                                  person or combination of foreign persons described in
                                  subparagraph (A) directly or indirectly own at least a
                                  20 percent stake; or
                                            (C) a person subject to the direction or control of
                                  a foreign person or entity described in subparagraph
                                  (A) or (B).
                   (2) Covered company.--
                                            (A) In general.--The term "covered company" means
                                  an entity that operates, directly or indirectly
                                  (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or
                                  affiliate), a website, desktop application, mobile
                                  application, or augmented or immersive technology
                                  application that--
                                                    (i) permits a user to create an account or
                                               profile to generate, share, and view text,
                                               images, videos, real-time communications, or
                                               similar content;
                                                    (ii) has more than 1,000,000 monthly active
                                               users with respect to at least 2 of the 3
                                               months preceding the date on which a relevant
                                               determination of the President is made pursuant
                                               to paragraph (3)(B);
                                                    (iii) enables 1 or more users to generate
                                               or distribute content that can be viewed by
                                               other users of the website, desktop
                                               application, mobile application, or augmented
                                               or immersive technology application; and
                                                    (iv) enables 1 or more users to view
                                               content generated by other users of the
                                               website, desktop application, mobile
                                               application, or augmented or immersive
                                               technology application.
                                            (B) Exclusion.--The term "covered company" does
                                  not include an entity that operates a website, desktop
                                  application, mobile application, or augmented or
                                  immersive technology application whose primary purpose
                                  is to allow users to post product reviews, business
                                  reviews, or travel information and reviews.
                   (3) Foreign adversary controlled application.--The term
                        "foreign adversary controlled application" means a website,
                        desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or
                        immersive technology application that is operated, directly or
                        indirectly (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or
                        affiliate), by--
                                            (A) any of--
                                                    (i) ByteDance, Ltd.;
                                                    (ii) TikTok;
                                                    (iii) a subsidiary of or a successor to an
                                               entity identified in clause (i) or (ii) that is
                                               controlled by a foreign adversary; or
                                                    (iv) an entity owned or controlled,
                                               directly or indirectly, by an entity identified
                                               in clause (i), (ii), or (iii); or
                                            (B) a covered company that--
                                                    (i) is controlled by a foreign adversary;
                                               and
                                                    (ii) that is determined by the President to
                                               present a significant threat to the national
                                               security of the United States following the
                                               issuance of--
                                                         (I) a public notice proposing such
                                                   determination; and
                                                         (II) a public report to Congress,
                                                   submitted not less than 30 days before
                                                   such determination, describing the
                                                   specific national security concern
                                                   involved and containing a classified
                                                   annex and a description of what assets
                                                   would need to be divested to execute a
                                                   qualified divestiture.
                   (4) Foreign adversary country.--The term "foreign
                        adversary country" means a country specified in section
                        4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code.
                   (5) Internet hosting service.--The term "internet hosting
                        service" means a service through which storage and computing
                        resources are provided to an individual or organization for the
                        accommodation and maintenance of 1 or more websites or online
                        services, and which may include file hosting, domain name
                        server hosting, cloud hosting, and virtual private server
                        hosting.
                   (6) Qualified divestiture.--The term "qualified
                        divestiture" means a divestiture or similar transaction that--
                                            (A) the President determines, through an
                                  interagency process, would result in the relevant
                                  foreign adversary controlled application no longer
                                  being controlled by a foreign adversary; and
                                            (B) the President determines, through an
                                  interagency process, precludes the establishment or
                                  maintenance of any operational relationship between the
                                  United States operations of the relevant foreign
                                  adversary controlled application and any formerly
                                  affiliated entities that are controlled by a foreign
                                  adversary, including any cooperation with respect to
                                  the operation of a content recommendation algorithm or
                                  an agreement with respect to data sharing.
                   (7) Source code.--The term "source code" means the
                        combination of text and other characters comprising the
                        content, both viewable and nonviewable, of a software
                        application, including any publishing language, programming
                        language, protocol, or functional content, as well as any
                        successor languages or protocols.
                   (8) United states.--The term "United States" includes the
                        territories of the United States.

SEC. 3. JUDICIAL REVIEW.

       (a) Right of Action.--A petition for review challenging this Act or
            any action, finding, or determination under this Act may be filed only
            in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
            Circuit.
       (b) Exclusive Jurisdiction.--The United States Court of Appeals for
            the District of Columbia Circuit shall have exclusive jurisdiction over
            any challenge to this Act or any action, finding, or determination
            under this Act.
       (c) Statute of Limitations.--A challenge may only be brought--
                   (1) in the case of a challenge to this Act, not later than
                        165 days after the date of the enactment of this Act; and
                   (2) in the case of a challenge to any action, finding, or
                        determination under this Act, not later than 90 days after the
                        date of such action, finding, or determination.

       Passed the House of Representatives March 13, 2024.

            Attest:

                                                KEVIN F. MCCUMBER,

                                                                              Clerk.



119 posted on 01/18/2025 6:15:40 AM PST by linMcHlp
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To: RandFan

Yup, there’s Chinese chips on those servers, who knows what they’re doing.

I mean OK this ruling doesn’t let them ban FR directly. It forces them to paint with a broad brush, they can shut down the server farm because Chinese chips. So long as it’s “speech neutral”.

Meanwhile it also doesn’t protect our private information from China because they buy that from the megacorps, same as the American government. Lies and tyranny, neither party is worth a crap.


120 posted on 01/18/2025 6:15:52 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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