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Is desalination the future of drought relief in California?
PBS NewsHour channel at YouTube ^ | October 31, 2025

Posted on 01/14/2025 4:56:08 PM PST by grundle

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To: grundle

THEIR GOING TO DRAIN THE OCEAN!


41 posted on 01/15/2025 3:24:06 AM PST by Ronald77
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To: grundle

Governor Galvanized Newscum and Mayor Karen dumBass—California’s dynamic duo /s


42 posted on 01/15/2025 5:08:17 AM PST by Skybird
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To: Deaf Smith

The waste product is salt has to be disposed.

Sell the salt? No, that would have been the solution to the Salton Sea fiasco which has no solution.

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Use the salt on the roads in winter or sell it to the many places that do.


43 posted on 01/15/2025 5:11:30 AM PST by Skybird
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To: grundle

If California had taken the money they spent on the “bullet train to nowhere” and spent it for desalination plants all up and down the California coastline, they would be exporting water to the Colorado River Basin, and Lake Mead would be full.

Once up and running, a desalination plant based on the heat from a nuclear reactor would be generating purified water, potable and more than adequate for crop production purposes, for pennies per gallon. The nuclear reactors could also be generating electricity, more than enough for any future expansion of electrical demand in California, for generations to come.

The technology exists, The will to apply it, however, does not.


44 posted on 01/15/2025 5:20:48 AM PST by alloysteel (This is yet another test. There are no right or wrong answers, only the correct response for you.)
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To: lurk

California by law has to keep 50% of all river flows in the river for run of the river use aka environmental flows this is codified sstate law. If the remaining 50% 80% of that goes to agriculture and only 20% of that goes to urban and industrial use.

The only way to hold back more water is to change codified state law. That means both houses of legislature must put a bill on the governors desk. That’s it period.full.stop. So if you are a Californian resident set about getting your legislature to make that happen.

They should ask the Chinese to show them how they use the Westinghouse AP1000 for district heating and desalination, it is an American design after all. Nukes put out 2/3rds of their thermal output as waste heat every joule of that can be used for rapid spray desal or low temp low pressure vacuum effect desal, or in hot sunny southern California go the adsorption cooling to sea ice to fresh melt water and huge amounts of district cooling as a free by product. Point is a single nuke can make millions of cubic meters of water per year the equivalent of a medium sized river.


45 posted on 01/15/2025 6:19:07 AM PST by GenXPolymath
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To: alloysteel

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306261913007216

This is the way. Peak capacity triples, you have load shifting so you run your nuke flat out it’s most cost efficient point. The heat you need to preheat all that liquid air is used to freeze sea water which when frozen only fresh water freezes the brine drains away....oooooo that’s a bingo. When you melt the now fresh water ice you run nontoxic glycol through it at 33 degrees now you have district cooling too. Which is 70% of your energy demand in hot climates. So it’s win ,win win all kinds of winning. The technology is here today the political will is not.


46 posted on 01/15/2025 6:32:47 AM PST by GenXPolymath
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To: Drew68

You need all of the above—more dams, desalination plants—as many as you can get.

The reason—if we can ever get control of CA back from the insane Democrats the population of the state will explode with new development.

The time to prepare with water infrastructure is now.

You can’t have too much water in a desert.


47 posted on 01/15/2025 6:35:46 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: grundle

Will they be run by nuclear or coal or natural gas? I still remember when California had nuke plants for electricity. Many of the Hollywood actors came out to protest them and got them shut down permanently.


48 posted on 01/15/2025 6:36:13 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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“The waste product is salt has to be disposed.

Sell the salt? No, that would have been the solution to the Salton Sea fiasco which has no solution.

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Use the salt on the roads in winter or sell it to the many places that do.”

For landfills in the desert, take the salt and add it to layers of garbage the salt keeps the microbes from decomposing the garbage and releasing methane or co2 for tens of thousands if not millions of years.

You could also landfill biomass,like brush, agricultural wastes or forest thinnings this also would sequester all that carbon for millions of years if you are into that kinda thing. This would actually work and be cheap too. Much cheaper than injecting liquid co2 into the earth for sequestration. Dr evil aka Bill Gates is planning on using the salt landfill , trees route it is one of the few ways to actually keep megaton amounts of carbon out of the carbon cycle for geological time scales.

Here is a better idea for all that sodium chloride...

https://salgenx.com/salgenx-saltwater-flow-battery-technology.html

Grid scale power storage right next to the nuke no special geology needed for compressed air or hydro storage, also no need to throttle your nuke run that baby flat out.

Oh once you have huge tanks of NaOH and HCl you can do interesting things with very low cost acid and bases in massive amount on tap.

NaOH when mixed with water and air is blown across it has a nice habit of forming Sodium bicarbonate with the co2in the air supplying the carbonate ion. Bicarb has a number of valuable uses and could be sold as is. Bicarb can also be put into a electrolysis cell and DC current run through it...you get back your NaOH and co2 gas comes out at high purity. Did we just do direct air capture on the cheap with nuclear power yes we did. Co2 plus water plus elections from said nuke gets you to all manner of chemicals via electrocells. Ethanol,propane,butane,methane,acetone,isopropyl to name a few all with over 90% faraday eff that means 90% of your energy ended up in the desired products.

Those same cells can also make formate or acetate from co2 and water. Those two are biologics single cell microbes eat them and can be programmed to make , sugars,lipids,oils,starches, and proteins we commonly call that food or feed. On scales of millions of tonnes per year per reactor they would be one a per acre basis a million times more feed or food per acre. You literally can make Kcals from thin air , water and nuclear electrons.

NaOH also can be used to extract proteins from leaf matter and plant stalks as Leaf protein concentrate, having cheap sodium hydroxide opens billions of tonnes of waste biomass to protein concentrate extraction think , chicken and hog feed on a scale that changes the feed industry forever.

HCl acid is the best acid to use for hydrolysis of biomass to sugars, right after your done sucking all the protein out of that biomass you hit it with dilute acid and turn the 50% of the dry mass of hemicellulose into 5 carbon sugars drain those off and feed them to yeast for hooch or E85 with sub 5 cents per lb sugar costs. Cheap acid = cheap sugars. Yeast also turn pentose into high quality proteins again feed that too humans or livestock as a byproduct.

Now you have cellulose and lignin left hit it with strong acid which will become the dilute acid for the first step and you turn cellulose into it’s 6 carbon base units of glucose. Glucose being the universal energy sugar in the biological world, humans literally live off it in our bloodstream everything we eat eventually gets turned into glucose to fuel us, same for every other mammal. Once you have glucose you can feed anything, or use microbes to make any biological chemical there is. No other chemical is more versatile than glucose in the bioworld, the most wasteful thing to do is feed it to yeast and make ethanol but ok let’s do that because Congress loves bug agri. Same same the left over yeast is prime complete protein too.

You have lignin left its nature’s largest source of aromatic rings , it also is what coal is made from once buried. Speed up the process with heat and pressure to crack those rings and you get aromatic hydrocarbons in the jet fuel range aka actual jet fuel, you need high purity llignin to do this step and if you acid treat wood,straw,hay,hemp, or any other grass stems which all grains are grasses you get chemical grade lignin after you remove the Hemi/cellulose sugars from it.

So having those flow batteries with acid base tanks is really a huge source of cheap acids and bases the cost is the electricity not sold by turning them back into salt water. By default if you have an economic flow membrane and battery you already have an acid base making machine on a huge scale.


49 posted on 01/15/2025 7:09:27 AM PST by GenXPolymath
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To: grundle

Never happen as long as the unqualified, unelected, Gaia worshipping water resources board can deny any desalination plant.


50 posted on 01/15/2025 8:14:21 AM PST by Mastador1
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