Putin revives antisemitic trope, accusing Jews of tearing apart the Russian Orthodox Church

Times of Israel ^ | 12/19/2024 | Zen Stub

[marcusmaximus]

Russian President Vladimir Putin uses antisemitic rhetoric during his lengthy end-of-year press conference, accusing people including “ethnic Jews” of tearing apart the Russian Orthodox Church.

“These people that are attacking the church, they are not atheists,” Putin says, addressing a question posed at the press conference. “They are absolutely faithless people, Godless people. Well, ethnically, many of them are Jews, but you haven’t seen them visit any synagogue.”

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The Russian Orthodox Church is widely criticized by international watchdogs for its close relationship with the Russian government. The Council of Europe recently labeled the church a propaganda tool of the Kremlin, and several European countries have expelled church officials due to security concerns.

[faithhopecharity]

Did he ban the Russian Orthodox Church or the Ukrainian Orthodox Church? Just curious. Thanks

[Cronos]

His statement is not "correct".

Note that he didn't talk about anti-Judaism i.e. it was not about the religion of the person, but the RACE of the person.

That is the difference between the supposed anti-semitism of Luther (he was more "anti-anyone who disagrees with me") who would embrace an ethnic Jew if he followed Luther's teachings (but not if he became a Calvinist, Catholic or Baptist!) and the antisemitism of the Nutzos

The anti-semitism of the Nutzos was based on Darwinism - if you read

and

you will see that for the core group of Nutzos, they were heavily influenced by the 19th century theories of evolution applied to race - let's call it neo-Darwinism (even though Darwin didn't espouse them or anything like them) - if you read H's writings, it is clear that he saw it as a RACE war where it was survival of the fittest. And he felt that the Jews were initially winning (even though, he thought they were inferior, but then most of H's "logic" was equally wackadoodle like his policy towards the Aryan Gypsies)

Putin bringing up the trope "ethnically but not practicing Jews" is a horrific race anti-semitism that was prevalent in Russia ever since the partitions of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth at the end of the 18th century gave a previously mono-ethnic, mono-religious Muscowy with a large chunk of Jews (and Catholics - but the Catholics were Slavs) who had been allowed, in the PLC, full freedom to NOT assimilate

by the 1850s this hardened into Russification and the Protocols of the elders of Zion

This was a reaction to the FACT that in the early 1800s, Muscowite culture was poor at best and was being swamped by Polish and by Jewish intellectuals

[Cronos]

The Muscowite narrative since the 1950s has been that anyone opposed to the Kremlin’s rule is/was a Nazi.

They conveniently leave out of their histories the fact that they were Germany’s allies from 1939 to 1941 and it was Russian materiel that enabled the German victories in the west.

Anyway, the definition of Naziism is basically
1. Fascism - a single leader running the country for years / decades. Putin has been in power for 25 years, Ukraine has had a number of leaders in that time (it’s more anarchical), with state control of industry (as Putin did, reigning in the oligarchs under state control) and a militaristic bent of mind (well duh - Putin’s MO)

2. Race based superiority - that’s what Putin’s Muscowy has become since the early 2000s

The Ukrainians faults are more anarchy related.

[Cronos]

Zelensky did not ban the Orthodox church - IDFBunny, that is a lie that you are repeating.

It was the Ukrainian parliament that banned the church that owed affiliation to the Moscow Patriarch - Kirill (Kirill supports the war even blessing missiles).

Eastern Orthodoxy in Ukraine is divided into 2 basically and before the ban, the % was roughly:

- owing allegiance to the Kyiv Patriarchate: about 74% of the EOs
- owing allegiance to the Moscow Patriarchate: about 26%

Note that theologically they are the same.

And note that after the ban, a number of parishes have moved to the Kyiv Patriarchate, so the number is probably closer to 90% now

[Cronos]

jim - the statement “Well, ethnically, many of them are Jews”

is anti-semitic.

It is pointing out the ethnic/racial origins of people and continuing the myth that the “Jewish race” is behind the ills of society.

Note as I pointed out above that this was the Nazi anti-semitism - NOT based on religion: the Nazis killed Catholics and Protestants whose parents and grandparents had converted from Judaism. They (the Nutzis) didn’t care about your religion as much as your ethnic background.

If you were a Swabian who converted to Judaism in 1930, you would NOT be killed

[Cronos]

btw, IDFdunny, your tagline “Crimea was never Ukraine” is false.

It was Ukrainians from 1954 to 2014 - for 60 years.

Prior to 1954 - from 1921 to 1954 it was part of Russia - 33 years.

Prior to 1921 - it was part of the Russian empire from 1783 to 1917 —> and NOTE that the USSR explicitly said it was NOT the successor state to the Russian empire. And the Russian federation in 1991 was NOT the successor state to the Russian empire either.

Crimea was part of the Crimean Khanate from 1443 to 1783 -> 340 years.

It was part of Russia only for 33 years and it was part of the Crimean Khanate for 340 years (and part of Ukraine for 60), so Russia has the LEAST “historical right” to Crimea

[aMorePerfectUnion]

The one Jewish Freeper who posted on this thread agreed with my statement, which contradicts yours.

I didn’t need confirmation, since I’ve seen this in real life.

More than that doesn’t interest me - including your narratives.

I do wish you well and a Merry Christmas.

[faithhopecharity]

Thanks for the info. That clarifies the question

[Cronos]

Which Jewish freeper?

In any case, the facts are that the Nutzi's anti-semitism was race-based, not religion based.

Otherwise, how can you explain the Nazis putting a Catholic nun - Teresa Benedict of the Cross (born Edith Stein) to death in Auschwitz-Birkenau

These aren't "my narratives" but facts that you don't want to read - very Democrat of you

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Thanks! Disagree.

(Read the thread to see the Jewish Freeper response.)

Still, I wish you a very Merry Christmas!

[jimjohn]

Perhaps you can tell us what was the exact question Putin was responding to? I’m sure that the answer to that question would explain his answer and context.

[Cronos]

During the press conference, Putin was asked about punitive measures some European countries have taken against the Russian Orthodox Church in the wake of the 2022 invasion of Ukraine over the church’s close relationship with Putin’s regime.

That's the context where he then goes on to blame "people of Jewish origin" for damaging the Russian Orthodox church.