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1 posted on 12/02/2024 3:10:37 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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“Lavrov rejects West’s ceasefire proposal, calls it ‘not a path to peace’”

Russia tried that in 2014 and it didn’t work out well for them. So why bother with it again, especially when there’s a good chance for a permanent peace deal.


2 posted on 12/02/2024 3:18:59 PM PST by BobL
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Zeepers be like....

3 posted on 12/02/2024 3:19:58 PM PST by PGR88
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Russia is in an awkward position. Forty percent of their budget is dedicated to war production and personnel costs. Their economy has been destroyed by something called “Dutch Disease.” That’s where one thing dominates the economy and the rest, services, civilian businesses all fail because the employees are working in the war industry. If the war stops then their economy collapses. If the war continues the collapse will occur later. What Russia must have is an end to sanctions and an immediate infusion of cash...a loan. I don’t see that happening.

As long as Putin in charge no sane Western company will move back into Russia. No sane Western nation will ever again become dependent on Russian gas or oil.

Russia is screwed no matter what happens.

A simple cease fire will probably benefit Ukraine if the West continues supplying arms and sustainment.


5 posted on 12/02/2024 3:26:18 PM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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Who is it that needs a ceasefire?

About 51,000 Ukrainians Have Deserted Armed Forces This Year

Ukraine needs 500,000 more troops amid slowing mobilization

And just a guess, but I doubt the Russians want to deal with Zelensky's pal, "Dementia Joe", when they can wait for Mr. Trump (who probably doesn't have family business interests in Ukraine)...

8 posted on 12/02/2024 3:56:30 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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10 posted on 12/02/2024 4:12:36 PM PST by Allegra (Deplorable garbage)
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The Minsk accords were signed to “give Ukraine time” to strengthen itself, according to ex-German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who was in office from 2005 to 2021, in an interview published on Wednesday in the Zeit newspaper.

Merkel said “The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give time to Ukraine. It also used this time to become stronger as can be seen today. The Ukraine of 2014-2015 is not the modern Ukraine.”

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

13 posted on 12/02/2024 4:27:26 PM PST by McGruff (Where's Biden?)
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The last paragraph contradicts the title of the article.


17 posted on 12/02/2024 5:16:40 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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