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To: metmom
Notice again that he's talking about people outside of the grace of God.

No, he is addressing believing Christians, both Jews and Greeks. Notice: "But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek." This has to be about believing Christians, unless you want to hold that Jews and Greeks there will be glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good without the need for faith in Jesus Christ.

Paul gets to that later in Romans.

Romans 8:1-2 …

Again, the law here is the Mosaic Law and circumcision.

Now if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast of God and know his will and are able to discern what is important since you are instructed from the law, and if you are confident that you are a guide for the blind and a light for those in darkness, that you are a trainer of the foolish and teacher of the simple, because in the law you have the formulation of knowledge and truth—then you who teach another, are you failing to teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? You who forbid adultery, do you commit adultery? You who detest idols, do you rob temples? You who boast of the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? For, as it is written, “Because of you the name of God is reviled among the Gentiles.” Circumcision, to be sure, has value if you observe the law; but if you break the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. Again, if an uncircumcised man keeps the precepts of the law, will he not be considered circumcised? Indeed, those who are physically uncircumcised but carry out the law will pass judgment on you, with your written law and circumcision, who break the law. One is not a Jew outwardly. True circumcision is not outward, in the flesh. Rather, one is a Jew inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, in the spirit, not the letter; his praise is not from human beings but from God. (Rom. 2:17-29)
Romans is a reply to those Jewish Christians who insisted that the non-Jews had to be circumcised. Paul was not preaching that we no longer had to obey the moral law. Notice that earlier (vs. 16) Paul says that "God will judge people's hidden works through Jesus Christ." This is about believers.
228 posted on 12/04/2024 9:02:07 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

You’re tilting at windmills.

The Law, and following the works of the Law save no one.

But nobody ever said that not obeying God was an option for believers.

But the motivation is different. We don’t obey out of fear of loss of salvation.

We obey out of a love for God and a desire to please Him and honor Him in our lives, out of gratitude for what He’s already done for us.


231 posted on 12/04/2024 9:33:48 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Petrosius

Our works are judged and rewarded or not.

Our salvation is a given.

Catholicism teaches that salvation is the reward. It’s not. Salvation is a free gift apprehended by faith.

Rewards are for the saved person’s faithful service here on earth.


236 posted on 12/04/2024 11:38:17 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Petrosius
Paul says that "God will judge people's hidden works through Jesus Christ." This is aboutbelievers.

Really?

'People' now means BELIEVERS?

261 posted on 12/04/2024 7:56:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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