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The Western World Retreats Deeper Into Unreality
Paul Craig Roberts ^ | 11/27/24 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 11/28/2024 1:30:13 AM PST by EBH

Don’t you think it is strange that humanity faces the possibility of extinction and there is no peace movement? Does our insouciance extend so far that we are indifferent to our existence? Even alternative media sites such as Simplicius downplay the threat

On November 18, 2024, the US and NATO fired from Ukrainian soil missiles into Russia despite the Russian government’s clear announcement that such reckless action would initiate war between the West and Russia. The Western presstitutes reported that Ukraine fired the US and UK supplied missiles, but this is a lie. The Ukrainians are not trained to operate the missile system and do not have the capability to target them. The missiles have to be operated by US/NATO personnel.

The missiles were intercepted by Russian air defense. However, their firing placed the US and NATO at war with Russia. Russia responded by demonstrating a new missile, for which the West has no counterpart or ability to deter, to completely destroy a Ukrainian military production facility. Putin’s hope was that the demonstration of the new hypersonic Russian missile would deter further attacks. But it did not. It is ironic that Putin’s attempt to limit conflict by confining it to Donbas gave the West the opportunity to greatly widen the war.

On November 23 and November 25 the US/NATO again fired missiles into Russia. We are awaiting the Russian response.

Putin, a democratically elected leader with popular support unmatched by any Western leader, Trump included, is disadvantaged in his dealing with the West by his humanitarianism. He is slow to recognize evil, and responds after the event to the Western threat to Russia’s existence rather than in a proactive way. All the initiative rests with the West.

It is likely that Putin has noticed that every new reckless action floated by the West as a way of aiding Ukraine was first denied and then approved. Step by step initially denied weapon system after system has been approved, including long-range missiles that Washington said would never be sent. When they were sent, Washington said the missiles would never be permitted to be used beyond the battlefield.

Now the missiles, that would never be sent or used beyond the battlefield, have been used 3 times to strike inside Mother Russia herself. This irresponsible, reckless action by the Biden regime and NATO has been done in the face of the clear statement by the Russian government that it means the US and NATO are at war with Russia, and it is in defiance of revised Russian military doctrine that now permits Russia to attack any country, regardless of whether it is a nuclear power, with nuclear weapons if the country attacks Russia with conventional weapons. The doctrine allows all NATO countries, including the US, to be attacked with nuclear weapons if any country allied with them, such as Ukraine, attacks Russia with conventional weapons. In the context of the conflict in Ukraine, attacking Russia means beyond the battlefield area itself.

With the three missile attacks inside Mother Russia beyond the battlefield itself, Washington and NATO have made it legal under Russian war doctrine for the West to receive a Russian nuclear attack. As I have previously written, only an insane government in Washington would open the door to nuclear war. It is Putin’s patience with the West that is preventing nuclear war.

Putin is likely to keep his patience with the insanity of the West until Trump is in office and Putin determines whether a mutual defense treaty, denied by the insane Biden regime, is possible with the Trump regime. If not, there is no basis for Putin’s hope of avoiding a major war. Sooner or later Putin will have to move from a reactive mode to a proactive mode, if Russia is to be protected. Indeed, determined to poison the relationship for Trump, Washington could target the Kursk nuclear plant and send radioactivity over Russia or target Moscow itself. Either of these could terminate Putin’s patience.

Not many of Trump’s appointments are very promising in regard to ending the conflict. The director of the Russian Federal Security Service has said that Trump’s election “is unlikely to lead to radical changes in Washington’s foreign policy.” He expects more provocations.

The ignored question is how many more provocations will Putin accept before his humanity is overruled by his commitment to Russia?

When we witness, as we clearly do, the West pushing Putin into this decision, how can we conclude anything else but that the West is pushing the world into nuclear armageddon? According to Tass, the Russian news service, President-elect Trump has not contacted Putin. Consequently, Trump might never get his 24 hours during which to end the conflict. The world might be over by then. I find it extraordinary that Trump has made no attempt to defuse the dangerous situation.

There are in Poland and Romania US missile bases on Russia’s border with missile systems that can fire nuclear weapons into Russia. Putin has complained about the threat these US bases present for many years. Washington has not removed them, and Putin has done nothing about them. If the US and NATO continue firing missiles from Ukraine into Russia in the face of Putin’s clear warnings, Putin, if he is realistic, must recognize that the Polish and Romanian US missile bases are threats of the highest order. Both, as the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman recently said, are on Russia’s target list for elimination.

The US response as voiced by White House National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby is: “We take our Article 5 commitments to our NATO Allies incredibly seriously. It’s rock-solid, and that’s not going to change.” In other words, if Russia protects herself from the possibility of US nuclear attack, Washington will launch WW III. The Washington morons believe that having nuclear capable missile bases on Russia’s borders with Poland and Romania are worth a nuclear war. Tell me this is not insanity.

Which is extreme, my fact-based warning, or the irresponsible actions of delusional people in Washington lost in their own false narratives, in their own hubris and mistaken belief in their invincibility and righteousness?

And delusion it is. Here is Frederick Starr, chairman of the Central Asia Caucasus Institute at the American Foreign Policy Council, proclaiming that Putin has lost the conflict with Ukraine and faces internal overthrow. Putin’s home front is collapsing, he says: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/ukraine-and-russia’s-collapsing-home-front-213869

What are the facts? The Ukrainian front is collapsing. The collapse is so complete that NATO is discussing supplying Ukraine with nuclear weapons. Putin has the strongest public support of all leaders on Earth, reelected to office for 25 years with margins that no Western leader can hope for, not even Trump. But according to Frederick Starr “Putin has already lost the war and the only question is what face-saving measures can be extracted through a settlement.” Starr reports that Putin’s defeat is so complete that his presidency is at risk.

Next we have The Telegraph, once a reasonable English Tory newspaper, speaking hyper-nonsense. The Telegraph reports a week after Russia demonstrates in action a new weapon system of which the “advanced” West has not even dreamed that “Putin would be crazy to take on the West because modern weapons production in Russia is impossible without Western components.” So where did the Oreshnik missile come from?

I do not know of any Western weapon system that does not have a superior Russian counterpart. Clearly in Ukraine the vaunted Western weapons have been easily defeated. Indeed, driven off the field of battle.

The “leaders” of the Western world live in belief in their own lies and propaganda. Their propaganda has taken control of their own thinking, making them ignorant of reality. Something is seriously wrong with Western peoples that they elect to office utterly stupid people capable of destroying life of earth simply on the basis of the ignorance resulting from their self-indoctrination.

Unless Trump can survive the Deep State, rise to the challenge and make peace the victory to be achieved, the world seems doomed.


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To: EBH

Somewhat off topic, but what I find curious is that the green new dealers and climate change hoaxsters say nothing about the obvious environmental damage that forever wars cause. The poisoning of the air. land and water.

Not to mention the human suffering.

Where is AOC, aka, the Queen of Green? She and her ilk are busy lecturing us on the evils of driving a gasoline driven car.


21 posted on 11/28/2024 4:30:33 AM PST by Thorium90
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To: EBH
Don’t you think it is strange that humanity faces the possibility of extinction and there is no peace movement?

I think it's quite strange. Why are the peaceniks silent? Why is DJT the only one who seems to be pressuring for peace?

22 posted on 11/28/2024 4:34:46 AM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: spetznaz

Excellent post. 👍


23 posted on 11/28/2024 4:52:32 AM PST by nfldgirl ( )
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To: EBH

He seems to be expressing a somewhat defeatist sentiment as he leads the reader down into the weeds, and he seems to put the cart before the horse a bit too much.


24 posted on 11/28/2024 4:55:07 AM PST by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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To: rarestia

It would be a pleasant change.


25 posted on 11/28/2024 5:00:41 AM PST by sauropod ("This is a time when people reveal themselves for who they are." James O'Keefe Ne supra crepidam)
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To: Waverunner

“Make Love Not War
These were the marching chants of liberal Americans
How they have fallen.”

It’s not that they have fallen - they were useful idiots then as now - but used in a different way.

Then, when the West was powerful, these ‘liberal Americans’ served as tools of Marxist instigators scheming to trick the West into disarming unilaterally.

Fifty years later, now that we have disarmed, ‘liberal’ Americans serve as tools of the same Marxist instigators scheming to push us into wars that we can no longer win.

The useful idiots on the Left still serve the enemy as tools for the same purpose: the wholesale destruction of the West.

They are just being used in a different deception.


26 posted on 11/28/2024 6:37:10 AM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: spetznaz

Outstanding post


27 posted on 11/28/2024 7:12:58 AM PST by EBH (America Blackmailed, The True Story of the World War...Coming Soon (1/21-))
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To: virgil

Code Pink is still active as are the Greens.


28 posted on 11/28/2024 7:48:43 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: enumerated

Those were protesters against the Vietnam War.


29 posted on 11/28/2024 7:50:40 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Waverunner

Make Love Not War
These were the marching chants of liberal Americans
How they have fallen.

\/

they lied then
they lie now

they were/are ALL liars

spit.


30 posted on 11/28/2024 8:18:30 AM PST by cuz1961 (Isaiah 53:3)
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To: ansel12

I know. I’m 72 - old enough to have been disgusted with them in real time.


31 posted on 11/28/2024 8:18:47 AM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: EBH

Congress has not declared war with Russia, and Russia did not attack the U.S.

So, Biden committed a high crime by launching this attack on Russia.

(Can’t say I agree with the author’s take on Putin being pure as driven snow, but the main point is valid.)


32 posted on 11/28/2024 8:21:25 AM PST by unlearner (Not tired of winning.)
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To: EBH

Goes back before then, at least to when Putin invaded Georgia.


33 posted on 11/28/2024 8:37:56 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: EBH

Here is some more crap from Paul Craig Roberts...funny how the antiwar crowd fits in so well ideologically with Palestinian terrorists :

LewRockwell.com is also the home of former assistant secretary of the treasury and right-wing nutcase Paul Craig Roberts. In March, LR posted a piece by PCR insinuating a “’black opts’ [sic.] group will orchestrate [an] attack” on America “in order to gain a pretext for attacking Iran.” As recently as last month, he reaffirmed America had a secret plan to nuke Iran.

In response to Israeli defense, Roberts noted some neocons, “mostly Jew,” had been accused of “dual loyalties.” In fact, the kidnapping of the IDF soldiers was all a Jewish conspiracy. Shrewd Jews knew removing Saddam from power “would open the door for Israel to provoke attacks from Hizbollah.” Besides, “what is decried as ‘Arab terrorism against Israel’ is, in fact, the only tactic Muslims have for calling the world’s attention to the plight of the Palestinians.”


34 posted on 11/28/2024 8:44:48 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: enumerated
A surprising fact to most is that they were the age group that most supported the war.


35 posted on 11/28/2024 8:46:08 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

There’s no shame in having supported winning wars once we were already in them.

The real question is - would we have supported our government covertly instigating foreign conflicts and then getting us inextricably tangled up in them. And would we have supported absurd rules of engagement that tied our hands and needlessly dragged out wars so the MIC could rake in obscene profits.

The answer is obviously “No!”, which is why they always bypassed congressional approval.


36 posted on 11/28/2024 9:54:56 AM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: enumerated

JFK should not have overturned Truman and Eisenhower and sent America into that war and most of us opposed it, but once in, many felt that we should fight to win.


37 posted on 11/28/2024 10:16:59 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

Agree. Peace Through Strength. Our leaders should avoid foreign entanglements, but once entangled, we must end our involvement with a show of strength. No apologies, no humiliating defeats.


38 posted on 11/28/2024 11:36:47 AM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: Thorium90

“Somewhat off topic, but what I find curious is that the green new dealers and climate change hoaxsters say nothing about the obvious environmental damage that forever wars cause. The poisoning of the air. land and water.”

So true

environmental extremism => national weakness => war => environmental catastrophe


39 posted on 11/30/2024 3:14:40 AM PST by takebackaustin
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