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1 posted on 11/17/2024 4:50:52 AM PST by Lazamataz
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2 posted on 11/17/2024 4:52:20 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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AI is only as good as the human behind it. I can always tell when someone is written by AI—it sounds wooden and dead. Write your own book.


3 posted on 11/17/2024 4:52:33 AM PST by yldstrk
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i have the sane problem. that class i took in journalism ruined my descriptive style...


5 posted on 11/17/2024 4:58:56 AM PST by camle (keep and open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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Brevity is the soul of wit. ;-)

Cheers! ‘Pod


7 posted on 11/17/2024 4:59:40 AM PST by sauropod ("This is a time when people reveal themselves for who they are." James O'Keefe Ne supra crepidam)
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It’s good not to be wordy. Wordy is boring.

As far as length, your work is going to be as long or short as it needs to be.

Fulfill your vision.


10 posted on 11/17/2024 5:03:27 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Congratulations. Most don’t even start to write.

Subplots...yes...agree.

Question: How about more plots? Like a mystery, how and why did you start the story where and when you did? How did that occur? Perhaps reveal and tease that as you progress.

Assuming you’re familiar with the hero’s journey and you’ve outlined that. If you want, do the same with your antagonist (s).

With regard to characters, false friends and benevolent antagonists as minor characters can give you things that will add to the twists and of course add words.

Keep going!


12 posted on 11/17/2024 5:06:09 AM PST by HombreSecreto (The life of a repo man is always intense)
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I present, for your consideration, my short story, "The Marvelous Meander of Milo Merkin - a Midget's Misery and Triumph", complete, and unabridged:

It happened.

14 posted on 11/17/2024 5:06:28 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Trump/Vance 2024 or GF)
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The writers did all of that in the show “24”.

I know why, because you can only really do about 5 minutes of cool stuff in an hour.

But I would have been good with the show if it had only lasted 5 min every week as long as I didn’t have to ever see or hear about Jack’s daughter.


16 posted on 11/17/2024 5:09:00 AM PST by Sarcazmo (I live by the Golden Rule. As applied by others; I'm not selfish.)
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I'm a fan of minimalist writers like Hemingway, Chuck Palahniuk, and Raymond Carver.

Write it your way and eff those who tell you it needs to be different/longer/elaborate.

Elaborate writing is for sissies.;-)

And, as an aside, now that you've got me stirred up, minimalist writing can be VERY complex. It takes more work by the writer (and the reader), and it is certainly more interesting...and even more powerful in my opinion.

17 posted on 11/17/2024 5:09:11 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson paraphrased, "If you strike at the king, don't fail." The Democrats failed. )
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I’ve written several novels, some of which are on Amazon. The way I addressed all of those things in your excellent list was to create a biography for each character. What experiences shaped their childhood? Were they abused or spoiled? I went into great detail for even minor characters. Then when those characters appeared they didn’t mindlessly advance the plot. Most of these things were never mentioned in story. The characters responded to circumstances, sometimes in surprising and, even to me, unexpected ways. When the characters and their interactions are driving the plot, you’ll find it resembles the way things work in the real world.

If you do this. The subplots write themselves.

I was repeatedly asked by readers, was this or that character actually someone I knew?


20 posted on 11/17/2024 5:11:37 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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” I tend to be extremely concise.”

I also tend to be concise, so I can’t help. My wife however, can take 10 minutes to say hello. I’ll ask if she has any suggestions.


26 posted on 11/17/2024 5:19:18 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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On the subject of minimalist writing, one of my favorite writing instructors used to tell students to take their early story drafts and strike through through all adjectives, adverbs, and clarifiers.

Then rewrite the story to convey the same impression without them.

It is amazing what such an exercise can do to a story.

27 posted on 11/17/2024 5:19:50 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson paraphrased, "If you strike at the king, don't fail." The Democrats failed. )
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Recommendation: Scrivener - for Mac or Windows

Very easy to use, does everything including all publishing formats

http://www.literatureandlatte.com/
Includes free 30 day trial.

Specifically for you Laz, it keeps a running word count - a feature that, like many others, can be turned on or off.

Also has different templates for different projects.
https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview#features


28 posted on 11/17/2024 5:22:33 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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A lot of great science fiction is short. Tell the story.

Ray Bradbury, H.G. Wells, and Isaac Asimov were also concise writers. Not everyone has to be Frank Herbert.

You might be a short story writer. A master like Dickens (not a Sci-Fi) can have layers of character development and a number of seemingly unrelated threads tied up after 800 pages. If that is not for you. If you have a main idea that you want to unfold with a twist or two, write that story. If it is really short, write another one based in the same universe, and you might have “I, Robot”.


30 posted on 11/17/2024 5:25:19 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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Describe your world. Employ enough detail so that your reader can feel present at the time and place. Dialogue between characters to enrich the understanding of events. Brevity is not your friend.

I refer you to my novel, The Flickering Torch. It’s over 500 pages of thoughtful setup, action and adventure, and it has received good reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5YVR3NL


32 posted on 11/17/2024 5:27:53 AM PST by SharpenedEdge (Stockpile. Prepare. Arm. Train. A Storm is coming.)
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Here is a suggestion that may seem too simple to be effective. Take a successful science fiction novel that you admire, read it again, slowly, and then carefully copy it out in longhand. Here is why I am confident that will be helpful.

Roy Huggins, a young University of California graduate working in the U.S. Civil Service during World War II, began a legendary career by copying in longhand Raymond Chandler’s Farewell, My Lovely. Huggins then wrote a Chandler's style detective novel that The Saturday Evening Post serialized, which resulted in conventional publication of the novel and sake of the film rights.

Additional novels, short stories, movie scripts, and film production work by Huggins followed. He moved into television in 1955 with Warner Brothers and later Universal Television. He created Maverick (1957-62), 77 Sunset Strip (1958-64), The Fugitive (1963-67), Run for Your Life (1965-68), The Outsider (1968-69), The Rockford Files (1974-80), City of Angels (1976), and several other TV productions.

Will Huggins' approach work for you? It at least offers a way to start. Good luck.

35 posted on 11/17/2024 5:31:43 AM PST by Rockingham
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That perfectly describes a Mack Bolan novel.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mack+bolan+books&iax=images&ia=images


42 posted on 11/17/2024 5:44:02 AM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could fight - Romeo company)
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I used to teach creative writing, and I’m willing to look at what you have and make suggestions for development if you’d like to have a human review.

I also think you could approach this as a short story, or even a collection of short stories. It’s okay to think outside the box and forge your own path.

I wish you great success with your writing!


44 posted on 11/17/2024 5:48:18 AM PST by sparrowsong (Secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity....let them live!)
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Sounds like you need to develop som LGBTQ characters, that don’t actually contribute to the story, but will expand your potential audience. For instance, include unnecessary sexual encounters that just show up without any connection to the current plot problem or situation, and doesn’t help aid in the solution.

That’s been Hollywood’s go to plot thickener for 30 years.

Sarcastic regards,

Shotgun.


46 posted on 11/17/2024 5:54:37 AM PST by shotgun
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“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”

― Mark Twain

On the other side of the spectrum, consider Allen Drury. His first (at least prominent) political fiction novel was Advise and Consent. That got turned into a movie.

Then he wrote a series of sequels, and each one got longer and longer. Bonus points to anybody who can name a movie made from one of the sequels.

47 posted on 11/17/2024 5:55:33 AM PST by Bernard ("Liberal Intellectual Incest". Goes along with employment in the Poverty-Industrial Complex.)
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