"This thread is about the book The Jefferson-Lemen Compact, by Willard C. MacNaul. The book is better titled as The Jefferson-Lemen Scam."lol...... Funny that.
I told you this would be fun as you never perform due diligence and research your sources. As a result, you present hilarious nonsense based on spurious or non-existent sources.
The Leben Scam is based on proven spurious documents, with debunking as early as 1930. One of the sources is flatly rejected as a forgery in the gold standard, Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln. Ultra Sonic 007 produced the JSTOR report that demolished the entire Leben Scam. As you never do due diligence, but blindly adopt anything that says what you want to hear, you were blissfully unaware that your proudly presented material was the usual utter crap.
I remind you that you pinged Ultra Sonic 007 and me at #10, evidently seeking our comments on your proud discovery, with the following comment about your pile of crap based on forged documents:
Might as well get this out of the way, so when I reference this book in the future none of you can claim that you are surprised to see it.
Seeing how thoroughly demolished the Leben Scam has proven, it would be a surprise if you reference that piece of crap again. Maybe not. Even if all the source documents are forged, it might still met your standards.
Oh, and make sure you send your thanks to Ultra Sonic 007 for actually providing evidence and not suppositions.
There are no suppositions. The Lemen Scam was revealed as based on forgeries since 1930. In addition to the bogus Lincoln letter, there was no supposition in the statement "The Douglas letter is a forgery." All due credit to Ultra Sonic 007 for providing a source from this century which finished the demolition of The Leben Scam. It is also important to note that forgeries in the Leben documents were revealed nearly a century ago.
Then, of course, you shifted to David Barton's The Jefferson Lies: Exposing the Myths You've Always Believed About Thomas Jefferson.
you had no idea Ultra Sonic 007 and I started discussing a different book that was published in 2012.
As you make believe my #44 does not exist, here is what it said:
To: Ultra Sonic 007; ProgressingAmerica; DiogenesLamphttps://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/08/09/158510648/publisher-pulls-controversial-thomas-jefferson-book-citing-loss-of-confidencePublisher Pulls Controversial Thomas Jefferson Book, Citing Loss Of ConfidenceAugust 9, 2012 5:20 PM ET
By Elise HuCiting a loss of confidence in the book's details, Christian publisher Thomas Nelson is ending the publication and distribution of the bestseller, The Jefferson Lies: Exposing the Myths You've Always Believed About Thomas Jefferson.
The controversial book was written by Texas evangelical David Barton, who NPR's Barbara Bradley Hagerty profiled on All Things Considered Wednesday. The publishing company says it's ceasing publication because it found that "basic truths just were not there."
Since its initial publication, historians have debunked and raised concerns about numerous claims in Barton's book. In it, Barton calls Jefferson a "conventional Christian," claims the founding father started church services at the Capitol, and even though he owned more than 200 slaves, says Jefferson was a civil rights visionary.
"Mr. Barton is presenting a Jefferson that modern-day evangelicals could love and identify with," Warren Throckmorton, a professor at the evangelical Grove City College, told Hagerty. "The problem with that is, it's not a whole Jefferson; it's not getting him right."
The book's publisher came to the same conclusion.
"When the concerns came in, from multiple people, and that had weight too, we were trying to sort things out," said Thomas Nelson Senior Vice President and Publisher Brian Hampton. "Were these matters of opinion? Were they differences of interpretation? But as we got into it, our conclusion was that the criticisms were correct. There were historical details — matters of fact, not matters of opinion, that were not supported at all."
The book has already been pulled off the Thomas Nelson website, and the publisher is in the process of pulling down its availability as an e-book from retail partners. Publishing rights are being reverted to the author, and the physical copies of the book are in the process of being removed from bookstores.
"The truth is, the withdrawing a book from the market is extremely rare. It's so rare I can't think of the last time we've done this," Hampton said. But, he said, "If there are matters of fact not correctly handled or the basic truth is not there, we would make a decision based on that."
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It seems the 2012 source you dragged up gained the singular distinction of having the publisher feel the need to withdraw the book from publication, and to have it removed from the shelves of book stores. The published explained, "But as we got into it, our conclusion was that the criticisms were correct. There were historical details — matters of fact, not matters of opinion, that were not supported at all." And, "The truth is, the withdrawing a book from the market is extremely rare. It's so rare I can't think of the last time we've done this," Hampton said. But, he said, "If there are matters of fact not correctly handled or the basic truth is not there, we would make a decision based on that."
And that is what you presented for your Plan B. A book that was withdrawn by the published in 2012. Somehow, your due diligence and arduous research missed that.
Run along, child. Once again, you have been busted.
Still not reading what's right in front of you.
Nothing here is mine. You clearly did not click the LibriVox link.
"evidently seeking our comments on your proud discovery"
I'm always happy to see new things about the Founders and you cannot make me apologize for that. That is the down side of open source, anybody can get things out there. It was bound to happen, my not knowing anything about many of these books or topics.
Realistically, my thoughts in making that comment was in reference to George Livermore's book "An Historical Research Respecting the Opinions of the Founders of the Republic on Negroes" https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4172958/posts
Which I recalled that the Lincoln hate club brought to over 300 replies, mostly and quite humorously more about the civil war and very little about the Founders themselves. I've noticed quite the track record with you. So I suspect one or two of the other (audio) books I have incoming will be equally upsetting for you once they complete since it does not align with your 1619 Project agenda.
"Seeing how thoroughly demolished the Leben Scam has proven"
Thanks to research US7 provided, I have no reason to bring this specific book up again.
"Somehow, your due diligence and arduous research missed that."
The biggest thing that I missed was that the Abraham Lincoln hate club was also simultaneously the Jefferson hate club. A mistake I will not make again in the future.
But its not like you publish your enemies list. So here we are. Not much to research. It would've been reasonable to assume Lincoln was the only target. And not the entirety of the Founding Fathers.