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To: woodpusher
"Can you identify one instance in which Jefferson actually advocated for the abolition of slavery in Virginia?"

And

"Jefferson's plan for gradual emancipation included removing the freed slaves from the United States when they reached adulthood."

You know. Logic has struck me like a lightning bolt about your contradiction here.

I'm asking you for plans about Jefferson's grand design for the goodness of slavery.

And what do you offer to the table? "Jefferson's plan for gradual emancipation"

Those are your words. You typed them. Read them.

I did almost miss it, that you entirely contradicted yourself and did the exact opposite of my request. This pretty much is the answer to my query.

You can't point to any instance in his record as legislator, governor, president, negotiator, advisor, etc etc etc. Don't feel bad, nobody ever has anything about Jefferson's record, all they have is some personal matters of Jefferson's life.

Jefferson never fought for the institution of slavery. He always, always fought against it. Many of those fights were open in broad daylight/sunshine. As you yourself brought to the table.

21 posted on 11/17/2024 9:51:43 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica; DiogenesLamp; Fury
"Can you identify one instance in which Jefferson actually advocated for the abolition of slavery in Virginia?"

No you couldn't, and no, you did not even try.

"Jefferson's plan for gradual emancipation included removing the freed slaves from the United States when they reached adulthood."

Those are your words. You typed them. Read them.

I read it. I said in Virginia. Jefferson's plan was the creation of free blacks in some distant clime. They were to be deported or expelled concurrent with emancipation.

These are Jefferson's words, not your ridiculous Kamalala nonsense. A quote of Jefferson's words buries your absurdities.

You can't point to any instance in his record as legislator, governor, president, negotiator, advisor, etc etc etc. Don't feel bad, nobody ever has anything about Jefferson's record, all they have is some personal matters of Jefferson's life.

Welcome to Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia.

To emancipate all slaves born after passing the act. The bill reported by the revisors does not itself contain this proposition; but an amendment containing it was prepared, to be offered to the legislature whenever the bill should be taken up, and further directing, that they should continue with their parents to a certain age, then be brought up, at the public expence, to tillage, arts or sciences, according to their geniusses, till the females should be eighteen, and the males twenty-one years of age, when they should be colonized to such place as the circumstances of the time should render most proper, sending them out with arms, implements of houshold and of the handicraft arts, feeds, pairs of the useful domestic animals, &c. to declare them a free and independant people, and extend to them our alliance and protection, till they shall have acquired strength; and to send vessels at the same time to other parts of the world for an equal number of white inhabitants; to induce whom to migrate hither, proper encouragements were to be proposed. It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expence of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race.

Also Jefferson:

They secrete less by the kidnies, and more by the glands of the skin, which gives them a very strong and disagreeable odour.

Also Jefferson:

The first difference which strikes us is that of colour. Whether the black of the negro resides in the reticular membrane between the skin and scarf-skin, or in the scarf-skin itself; whether it proceeds from the colour of the blood, the colour of the bile, or from that of some other secretion, the difference is fixed in nature, and is as real as if its seat and cause were better known to us. And is this difference of no importance? Is it not the foundation of a greater or less share of beauty in the two races? Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion by greater or less suffusions of colour in the one, preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in the countenances, that immoveable veil of black which covers all the emotions of the other race? Add to these, flowing hair, a more elegant symmetry of form, their own judgment in favour of the whites, declared by their preference of them, as uniformly as is the preference of the Oranootan for the black women over those of his own species. The circumstance of superior beauty, is thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals; why not in that of man?

More Jefferson:

Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

One can readily see why Jefferson had a plan to emancipate them in conjunction with their deportation to anywhere but here. In Jefferson's assessment, they were dumb, ugly, and smelled bad, and he assessed that they did not belong in the gene pool. It takes some special perversion to view one who advocates for ethnic cleansing, as an advocate for those he desires to cleanse from the population.

What remains is why you cannot provide a single quote of Jefferson advocating for emancipation in Virginia. Jefferson's plan was inextricably linked with deportation of the undesired race to some distant clime.

One can readily see why you do not want to quote anything relevant from the historical record and prefer to champion a paper that features the disclaimer, "How much of the current tradition is fact and how much fiction is hard to determine, as so little of the original documentary material is now available. The collection of materials herewith presented consists of what purport to be authentic copies of the original documents in question." It's easy. You just forget the disclaimer and charge forward as if the existence of some nebulous pact has been established.

26 posted on 11/18/2024 8:53:43 PM PST by woodpusher
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