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"Can you identify one instance in which Jefferson actually advocated for the abolition of slavery in Virginia?"

No you couldn't, and no, you did not even try.

"Jefferson's plan for gradual emancipation included removing the freed slaves from the United States when they reached adulthood."
Those are your words. You typed them. Read them.

I read it. I said in Virginia. Jefferson's plan was the creation of free blacks in some distant clime. They were to be deported or expelled concurrent with emancipation.

These are Jefferson's words, not your ridiculous Kamalala nonsense. A quote of Jefferson's words buries your absurdities.

You can't point to any instance in his record as legislator, governor, president, negotiator, advisor, etc etc etc. Don't feel bad, nobody ever has anything about Jefferson's record, all they have is some personal matters of Jefferson's life.

Welcome to Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia.

To emancipate all slaves born after passing the act. The bill reported by the revisors does not itself contain this proposition; but an amendment containing it was prepared, to be offered to the legislature whenever the bill should be taken up, and further directing, that they should continue with their parents to a certain age, then be brought up, at the public expence, to tillage, arts or sciences, according to their geniusses, till the females should be eighteen, and the males twenty-one years of age, when they should be colonized to such place as the circumstances of the time should render most proper, sending them out with arms, implements of houshold and of the handicraft arts, feeds, pairs of the useful domestic animals, &c. to declare them a free and independant people, and extend to them our alliance and protection, till they shall have acquired strength; and to send vessels at the same time to other parts of the world for an equal number of white inhabitants; to induce whom to migrate hither, proper encouragements were to be proposed. It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expence of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race.

Also Jefferson:

They secrete less by the kidnies, and more by the glands of the skin, which gives them a very strong and disagreeable odour.

Also Jefferson:

The first difference which strikes us is that of colour. Whether the black of the negro resides in the reticular membrane between the skin and scarf-skin, or in the scarf-skin itself; whether it proceeds from the colour of the blood, the colour of the bile, or from that of some other secretion, the difference is fixed in nature, and is as real as if its seat and cause were better known to us. And is this difference of no importance? Is it not the foundation of a greater or less share of beauty in the two races? Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion by greater or less suffusions of colour in the one, preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in the countenances, that immoveable veil of black which covers all the emotions of the other race? Add to these, flowing hair, a more elegant symmetry of form, their own judgment in favour of the whites, declared by their preference of them, as uniformly as is the preference of the Oranootan for the black women over those of his own species. The circumstance of superior beauty, is thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals; why not in that of man?

More Jefferson:

Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

One can readily see why Jefferson had a plan to emancipate them in conjunction with their deportation to anywhere but here. In Jefferson's assessment, they were dumb, ugly, and smelled bad, and he assessed that they did not belong in the gene pool. It takes some special perversion to view one who advocates for ethnic cleansing, as an advocate for those he desires to cleanse from the population.

What remains is why you cannot provide a single quote of Jefferson advocating for emancipation in Virginia. Jefferson's plan was inextricably linked with deportation of the undesired race to some distant clime.

One can readily see why you do not want to quote anything relevant from the historical record and prefer to champion a paper that features the disclaimer, "How much of the current tradition is fact and how much fiction is hard to determine, as so little of the original documentary material is now available. The collection of materials herewith presented consists of what purport to be authentic copies of the original documents in question." It's easy. You just forget the disclaimer and charge forward as if the existence of some nebulous pact has been established.

"Thomas Jefferson was a racist."

Wow. I am shocked, but I applaud you for stating it so simply. Moving on. That's your opinion, it is what it is. I just wanted to see if you would actually do it, I was wrong.

"Why are you so mentally crippled that you cannot discuss the actual words of Thomas Jefferson?"

Because actions speak louder than words. Thomas Jefferson was an abolitionist. See that? Let's address your post 26 and go into detail of your foolishness.

"No you couldn't, and no, you did not even try."

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"I read it. I said in Virginia."

I don't really care that you said Virginia. It's irrelevant. If abolition could've been achieved all across the U.S., that would've picked up Virginia anyways on the come. So, I mean, it's the bigger fish.

"What remains is why you cannot provide a single quote of Jefferson advocating for emancipation in Virginia."

He had his sights bigger than just Virginia. And he achieved his goal as President. So, I don't care about quotes because actions speak louder than words.

"One can readily see why you do not want to quote anything relevant from the historical record"

Coming from you this doesn't mean much. What historical record, that tiny little box you've confined yourself to? You got pissed when I pointed out that the British Empire forced slavery on the United States, and brought up a bunch of facts you didn't know to prove it. That tiny little box of yours, that progressivism history you cling to so dearly? I'm not worried about that junk in the slightest.

That progressivism history that you're head over heels in love with is exactly what I seek to destroy. And I will destroy it. It's weak at the joints. This will be fun.

"Jefferson's plan was the creation of free blacks in some distant clime. They were to be deported or expelled concurrent with emancipation."

That's how all of the racist abolitionists were in those days. Racists like William Wilberforce wanted to put the blacks over in Sierra Leone, as did Granville Sharp. This wasn't something unique to the United States, did you think it was? Of course you did think that.

Your heavy reliance upon progressive history is beclowning you. Thomas Clarkson and his son John also wanted to see the blacks out to Sierra Leone. You don't know your history.

I said earlier: "You can't point to any instance in his record as legislator, governor, president, negotiator, advisor, etc etc etc. Don't feel bad, nobody ever has anything about Jefferson's record, all they have is some personal matters of Jefferson's life."

"Welcome to Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia."

Welcome to what, fool? Jefferson specifically states in Notes on the State of Virginia that slavery must be destroyed.

Full Stop. He states it specifically. You're not really going to deny that fact are you?

I really hope you are not going to drag this tomfoolery out for dozens of denials from you that Jefferson wrote that slavery has to go in that very book. You need to come correct, you need to be honest and simply state that you know the page number.

Yes. I have the page number. So I know you have it too.

This is exactly what happens when you're animated by hatred. You beclown yourself in ridiculousness.

As for those words you quoted? Those were nothing but personal opinions. So what? I started my original posting with five words: "Thomas Jefferson was an abolitionist." and you have not provided one shred of evidence contrary. All you can hang your hat on are personal opinions that Jefferson never once acted upon in his entire life, as it relates to the things he did in official matters.

Here they are again, just to make sure you see them again:

* Early years as a legislator. Anti slavery

* Declaration author. Anti slavery (even if, by the hands of others, it is removed. HE, Jefferson, did his job. Consistently)

* Years as a governor. Anti slavery

* Years as president. Anti slavery

* Years in between as negotiator, advisor, activist, author, and other scenarios:

Anti slavery.

I have never seen anybody produce at any time any instance where Thomas Jefferson placed himself on the side of defending and even worse, promoting the goodness of the institution of slavery.

And even Woodpusher, with his extreme hatred of Thomas Jefferson cannot provide anything either. Except the opposite. You provided a plan for emancipation!!! How contradictory is that to what was requested. You cannot provide one shred of evidence from basically 50 years in public life where Jefferson advocated on behalf of promoting the institution of slavery. None. Zero. Zilch. All you can point to are personal items, this is Jerry Springer stuff that you're relying on. JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

So is the life of Thomas Jefferson, abolitionist. Actions. Speak louder than words.

You beclown yourself, but you can make up the difference. Post the page number from Notes of Virginia Where Thomas Jefferson specifically says that slavery cannot stand. It must fall.

You know the page number. Provide it first. Start with that. Move your other cuts and pastes downward, and start the top of your reply with the page number where slavery must be abolished.