Posted on 10/24/2024 9:59:29 AM PDT by fwdude
I have some questions for Christians of the "instant glorification" theological belief after death. Do the departed Christians retain some conscious awareness of the goings-on in creation, on Earth, and popular entertainment often depicts?
Do they "look down on us," particularly their loved ones? Are they even able to? Are they able to see, and grieve over, how truly bad the ones still remaining really are?
I know this opens a lot of theological questions regarding the nature and fate of the dead, but it has intrigued me for a long time.
Personally, I think they are unaware of the happenings on Earth. They would be grieved to an unbearable degree to see the relative wickedness of those whom they loved still living, and that is not possible in their state of "rest" in the presence of their Savior.
well said-
Regards,
I have a relative who died on the operating room table for two or so minutes. He tells of leaving his body, feeling no pain, seeing himself and everyone in the room, but floating a room away and seeing the people in there. He later told this nurse he saw her in the other room, and not in his room, while he was dead.
This is the sort of thing that puzzles me about complete “inertness” versus at least some consciousness.
In general, I think we awaken on our Judgement Day and all of Mankind hears our sins.
How can departed loved ones be “with you?” Do they then attain the attribute of God of omnipresence, being in Heaven as well as on Earth simultaneously?
What you felt were you own feelings, nothing more.
All I know for certain about Heaven is that I’m supposed to meet my Mom at “Steinmart” when I get there.
May be obvious to some, but I can't imagine HATRED in Heaven, even "relative" hatred, in that all-encompassing love.
Past, present and future are all the same, so fretting about someone left behind is meaningless because their hardship is already over.
Nope. Nothing to do with feelings.
I wonder if we will be able to see history. I believe we won’t care, but it would be interesting to see who shot JFK and watch election night 2016 in Hillary’s headquarters.
At 62 now, I have been in the presence of dead and dying people several times.
It is obvious that “something” leaves the body. Even when those that are unconscious die, there is a change.
The rational part of me leans to “energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed.” The energy that we call life leaves us. I think that this is our consciousness, or our soul. It is what makes us a person, and not a piece of meat.
Now for the seriously woo woo...
I think that God is the source of all consciousness and that - if we have not rejected Him - we rejoin that source when we die. We may perceive this as a “place” which has been called heaven. I think this may be what we, with our limited understanding, call another dimension. In this dimension our current sense of time and space is wiped away.
I plan to haunt anyone who doesn’t love and protect the land that I have loved and protected.
my dad was a cop... kinda hoping nobody is watching me anymore...
Nope. The dead are dead. Bodies and souls remain in their graves until the resurrection. Their spirit returns to God. So says John, Luke, Paul, Job, David, and others.
Bkmk
Ecclesiastes 9:5 says “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing…”
“Today, you will be with me in paradise,” Jesus told the crucified thief.
No. When you die you are supposed to have peace. If you were watching your heirs squander your money or watch one of your family struggling with cancer you would be pretty stressed out.
Heaven and the hereafter are not part of the space/time continuum that the earth resides in. So there is the very real possibility that when we die and go to heaven we may all be arriving there together instantly at the same “time” (which doesn’t exist there anyway). So there is nobody left behind to watch over and grieve about.
There is no pain or sorrow in heaven, so I don’t fuss about the particulars as I’m sure the God who created the universe has this covered and I won’t understand the physics (if any) anyway.
“I have a relative who died on the operating room table for two or so minutes. He tells of leaving his body, feeling no pain, seeing himself and everyone in the room, but floating a room away and seeing the people in there. He later told this nurse he saw her in the other room, and not in his room, while he was dead.”
My experience was different. The day I dropped dead on the basketball court, I felt dizzy then everything went white. They tell me I had no pulse or respiration and one of the guys started CPR while another called the first aid squad. My next memory is awakening in the hospital when they brought me out of an induced coma, they told me it was five days later. God was better to me than I deserve.
I too believe that the dead are in heaven. Although when Jesus said “Today, you will be with me in Paradise”, Jesus didn’t go to Paradise - he went to Hell.
I have thought about that before and never really investigated it. I wonder if the translation is more like “Because of your belief today...”
Also - the day when a person becomes a believer is the day they join the Kingdom of Heaven, so perhaps it means that?
My old man thought his parents were looking over him and he would have “conversations” with them (I’m not sure one would call it prayer.)
I believe that he and my mom are too focused on Jesus in Heaven to worry about the things on this earth.
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