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"Bias" Of Debate Moderators In Their Own Words
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 5 Oct, 2024 | Francis Menton

Posted on 10/06/2024 6:55:27 AM PDT by MtnClimber

Usually, I don’t waste much time watching the presidential or vice-presidential debates; but on Tuesday I watched most of the vice-presidential debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz. I applaud Vance on a skilled performance. But I particularly want to comment today on the overt hostility that Vance faced from the moderators, which is unfortunately typical of the hostility of the corporate media toward all Republican candidates.

If you watched some or all of the debate, you probably came away with a general impression of the moderators attempting to help Walz; but without a transcript it is difficult to remember specifics. Fortunately, CBS has produced a transcript of the debate. So I thought it might be informative to go through the transcript and compile some of the more absurd efforts of the moderators to give a boost to Walz. The moderators in this instance were Norah O’Donnell and Margaret Brennan of CBS. What becomes noticeable when you do this is the extent to which the moderators insert into their questions contested, or even clearly false, Democratic Party talking points as if they were uncontested facts.

The second topic of questioning in the debate, introduced by moderator O’Donnell, was stated to be “Hurricane Helene,” which she used as a proxy for supposed climate change. Here is the text of the introductory question:

Let's turn now to Hurricane Helene. The storm could become one of the deadliest on record. More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing. Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, seven in ten Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S. taking steps to try and reduce climate change. Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change?

O’Donnell takes her opportunity as moderator to assert as uncontested fact that “scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger and more deadly.” In fact, the idea that climate change is making hurricanes worse is one of the most clearly false and thoroughly debunked of all the scary claims of the climate scam. On Thursday, Gregory Wrightstone, Executive Director of the CO2 Coalition, went on the Daily Signal podcast to give an extensive refutation of the claim. The link has both video and a transcript. From the transcript:

I’m using data from the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, from NASA, even the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change disagrees with her. They all say that there’s been no increase in the big hurricanes. . . . [G]oing back to 1850, we know every single hurricane that’s made landfall since 1850, because they’re hard to miss. And land-falling hurricanes in the United States have been declining. I’ve looked at that data myself. . . . If you look at the U.N. data, go right to the source, and they show clearly that extreme or natural disasters have been declining by 10% since 2000.

As to Helene being “one of the deadliest [hurricanes] on record,” on October 2, CBS itself compiled a list of the top ten deadliest historical U.S. hurricanes (maybe in a failed attempt to support O’Donnell’s assertion). It turns out that Helene has a long way to go even to make it into the top ten. Helene’s current death toll (per AP at 9:30 tonight) is 237. The number one deadliest Hurricane was the Great Galveston Hurricane of 1900, with a death toll given as between 8000 and 12,000. Other hurricanes with death tolls over 1000 occurred in 2017, 1928, 2005, and 1893. Others with death tolls of 400 and up occurred in 1881, 1957, 1935, and 1856. How this proves that hurricanes are becoming more deadly due to increasing strength in recent years is a mystery to anyone who looks at the data.

At the end of about 10 minutes of the candidates responding to O’Donnell’s opening question, she closed the topic with the following statement, again asserted as if it was an uncontested fact: “The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.” Neither candidate was given an opportunity to respond, the the debate moved on to other topics.

The next instance of the moderators explicitly taking Walz’s side occurred a few minutes later, when the topic was illegal immigration. During his answer on the subject, Vance had said “[I]n Springfield, Ohio and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed, you've got hospitals that are overwhelmed, you have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.” After Walz had responded, moderator Brennan interjected:

[J]ust to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status.

This interjection came despite an agreement on a ground rule that the moderators would not “fact check” the debaters. In this case, while there might be some room for disagreement, Vance had far the better side of the facts. The Haitian migrants in Springfield have almost entirely entered the country illegally, but the Biden administration has purported to grant them something called “Temporary Protected Status.” So there was nothing false about what Vance had said, and the basis on which the Haitians have at least temporary legal status is a result of dubious Biden administration executive action. When Vance tried to explain that situation, the moderators cut off his microphone.

Finally there is the idea that any difficult problem faced by the people is a “crisis” that calls for immediate intervention by the federal government to solve it. As the debate went on, that became a recurring theme. First up, it was the “housing crisis.” From Brennan:

There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States and this contributes to the high housing crisis.

And then some time later, also from Brennan, it was the “childcare crisis”:

There is a childcare crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents.

I think that the term “childcare crisis” is nothing more than a description of the fact — that has been true since the dawn of human history — that raising children is a difficult and challenging task. Fortunately in the world of CBS and other corporate media, such “crisis” and any others like it can always be promptly solved by the spending of sufficient funds from the infinite pile of loot at the disposal of the federal government.

Clearly, Trump has made a wise decision to decline to do future debates except on Fox.


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1 posted on 10/06/2024 6:55:27 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

These leftists don’t even seem to care that their bias is so clearly displayed. Maybe it comes from living in a leftist bubble.


2 posted on 10/06/2024 6:56:48 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: StAntKnee; texas booster

Manhattan Contrarian ping


3 posted on 10/06/2024 6:59:01 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: MtnClimber

When the topic comes to the alleged “child care crisis”, I think it would be beneficial to point out that due to the uncontrolled spending of the government that is fueling inflation, both parents have to work.

If spending, hence inflation, were brought under control, there would be no “child care crisis”.

Of course, it would also require families to drive older vehicles and not buy a new boat every year.


4 posted on 10/06/2024 7:03:57 AM PDT by Glennb51
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To: MtnClimber

Great piece. Thx for posting it.


5 posted on 10/06/2024 7:05:09 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: MtnClimber

Debates should solely be moderated by individuals not associated with the media with a mute button and timer who have a list of questions they ask both candidates. No set up statements before the question. The moderator is not allowed to speak after the question is asked. Only candidates can rebut each other, not moderators. All cable stations and networks may cover it if they so wish


6 posted on 10/06/2024 7:11:19 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: MtnClimber

I was shouting obscenities at the TV when the “moderator” used Hurrican Helene as a segway into a question about climate change. These leftwing propagandists are disgusting and shameless.


7 posted on 10/06/2024 7:11:22 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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To: MtnClimber

O’Donnell is an America-hating skank. If you don’t think like her, you’re evil. Celebrities are such ahos.


8 posted on 10/06/2024 7:13:21 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The New "American Dream"! U.S. taxpayer financed - "ASYLUM" for foreign fugitives.)
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To: MtnClimber

Still, they nailed Timmy on Tianenmen Square


9 posted on 10/06/2024 7:14:13 AM PDT by sopo
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To: MtnClimber

“These leftists don’t even seem to care that their bias is so clearly displayed. Maybe it comes from living in a leftist bubble.”

They no longer have to pretend to be unbiased because the public expects it, and in many cases, applauds it.


10 posted on 10/06/2024 7:18:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: MtnClimber
The overwhelming consensus among scientists

For the record, I’m not anti-science.

But I abhor Authority Bias.

In addition… SCIENCE ISN'T MATH.

It never was.

And it sure isn't now.

The history of science is littered with "no wait....that's wrong...THIS is right..." going through the rinse and repeat cycle endlessly.

And that's ok. Inquiry and challenge and "being a science heretic" is, in many ways, how mankind learns more and can fix more problems.

One of my favorite sagas regarding "accuracy" and "settled science" is ulcers.

In 1981 Barry Marshall began working with Robin Warren, the Royal Perth Hospital pathologist who, two years earlier, discovered the gut could be overrun by hardy, corkscrew-shaped bacteria called Helicobacter pylori. Biopsying ulcer patients and culturing the organisms in the lab, Marshall traced not just ulcers but also stomach cancer to this gut infection. The cure, he realized, was readily available: anti­biotics. But mainstream gastroenterologists were dismissive, holding on to the old idea that ulcers were caused by stress.

Unable to make his case in studies with lab mice (because H. pylori affects only primates) and prohibited from experimenting on people, Marshall... ran an experiment on ...himself. He took some H. pylori from the gut of an ailing patient, stirred it into a broth, and drank it....Back in the lab, he biopsied his own gut, culturing H. pylori and proving unequivocally that bacteria were the underlying cause of ulcers.

For their work on H. pylori, Marshall and Warren shared a 2005 Nobel Prize. Today the standard of care for an ulcer is treatment with an antibiotic.

But science isn't math. Your checking account balance is the sum of deposits less sum of withdrawals. Always. Forever.

The problem arises when people try to equate science with math...usually they call it "settled science." And, to be sure, robust inquiry and disciplined application of the scientific method usually gives you clear and distinct results. Then, science is settled...until we get new data or better techniques, and then we get "wait a minute..".

For example, there was a most excellent article posted on how "settled science" wasn't so settled, wherein:

seems that Earth has been misplaced. According to a new map of the Milky Way galaxy, the Solar System's position isn't where we thought it was. Not only is it closer to the galactic centre - and the supermassive hole therein, Sagittarius A* - it's orbiting at a faster clip.

It further noted other "errors" in SCIENCE:

A good recent example of this is the red giant star Betelgeuse, which turned out to be closer to Earth than previous measurements suggested. This means that it's neither as large nor as bright as we thought. Another is the object CK Vulpeculae, a star that exploded 350 years ago. It's actually much farther away, which means that the explosion was brighter and more energetic, and requires a new explanation, since previous analyses were performed under the assumption it was relatively low energy

The other problem arises when Certain Powers work overtime to suppress assiduous inquiry. Which, is what we have today as well. It's a bad double whammy.

In the interest of full disclosure, my "science isn't math" quote came from a recent post on social sciences, that featured this brilliant give and take involving a Harvard faculty member critical of Charles Murray from the original article, that is worth reprinting - it is with regard to the "certainty of SCIENCE":

"so why should we let someone teach social science that we know to be wrong in our social science courses?"

Because it is possible that you are wrong.
Science is not mathematics. Newtonian physics was wrong. And social science is a further three rungs down in certainty from science.

Your level of certainty and arrogance about what can be said, and probably thought, smacks of religion, and not science. This is a political religion that permeates academia at the moment. And which I am fairly sure you will swear does not infect you, while the rest of us can see the symptoms quite plainly.

Only religions ban heretics from speaking because of the wrong-think they might cause. Real science loves a good heretic. In fact, honestly, the entire goal of science is to be a heretic. To have an idea that no other person ever had. Science is the pretty much the antithesis of your thought-police approach.

And most of academia used to be the antithesis of your thought police approach as well, until the religion of leftism took it over, with the direct help of people like you.

11 posted on 10/06/2024 7:19:34 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s² )
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To: MtnClimber

The last time I can remember a debate was moderated by people who weren’t totally far left, was when Fox held that debate between Trump and Satans daughter Hillary666 where Megyn Kelly decided to destroy her career and immediately attack Trump about women, and Trump gave the “Only Rosie O’Donnell” response. That was back in 2016 I believe.

Since then every debate has been moderated by far leftists with probably product of nepotism Chris Wallace being the worst who kept interupting Trump, “correcting” Trump, even demanded Trump denounce white supremacy right in front of segregationist Joe Biden who wasn’t asked the same question.

WHY does this keep happening? Do Republicans have a problem with saying “We will do a debate on CBS if you agree to a debate with Mark Levin moderating”?


12 posted on 10/06/2024 7:19:40 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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To: MtnClimber

“These leftists don’t even seem to care that their bias is so clearly displayed. Maybe it comes from living in a leftist bubble.”

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Some of their bias certainly comes from being in the self-reinforcing bubble they live and work in. Everyone they associate with shares the same progressive ideology and tribal fear of those with different views.

But a lot of it has to do with self-interest. The Leftist media has a symbiotic relationship with the political elites. The media gives them favorable coverage and in return it gets ready access to decision makers, inside scoops and ready-made copy from their well-placed sources inside the government — its a highly effective propaganda machine for the Leftists in power. Its also highly corrupt and unethical.

When the Right is in power (such as that is) the state affiliated media loses some of its access to highly placed sources. This in turn drives them to attack the Right even more in hopes of returning their friends back into power.

Since this symbiotic arrangement is never going to change, the best Republicans can do is refuse to subject themselves to the media’s traps and fake debates.


13 posted on 10/06/2024 8:11:38 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“WHY does this keep happening? Do Republicans have a problem with saying “We will do a debate on CBS if you agree to a debate with Mark Levin moderating”?”

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I was hoping that after the departure of Rona McDaniel the R’s might stop walking into the media’s traps, but alas such was not the case. If anything, it actually got worse AFTER she left! The debate moderators this cycle were more hostile than ever.


14 posted on 10/06/2024 8:17:06 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: brownsfan

“They no longer have to pretend to be unbiased because the public expects it, and in many cases, applauds it.”

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That’s a good point. If it wasn’t working for them they wouldn’t do it. But its also true that the media relentlessly demonizes Republicans and so conditions the Sheeple to accept the unfairness of one-sided attacks and the endless drone of anti-conservative propaganda.


15 posted on 10/06/2024 8:23:15 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

I agree with that analysis and conclusion. Just call them “Fake News” and laugh at them. Don’t participate in their game.


16 posted on 10/06/2024 8:25:45 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: Starboard

“But its also true that the media relentlessly demonizes Republicans and so conditions the Sheeple to accept the unfairness of one-sided attacks and the endless drone of anti-conservative propaganda.”

The left has successfully characterized conservatives as being modern day Nazis. Given that, nothing you do to or against conservatives is too much.


17 posted on 10/06/2024 8:35:44 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: chuckee

BINGO!


18 posted on 10/06/2024 9:39:31 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: Dan in Wichita

I would have also but there were children present. That witch then gave a confident, cold-hearted stare, as if she got final vindication through her stupid appeals to authority. A truly evil woman.


19 posted on 10/06/2024 10:24:03 AM PDT by Señor Presidente (Tyranny deserves insurrection)
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To: MtnClimber; Liz

Thank you for the details.


20 posted on 10/06/2024 12:49:55 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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