Posted on 10/02/2024 1:34:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
What about people who can't find a partner to have a child with? Should the government mandate someone for that role?
Again the government is the answer! All elgible people whether they want to be in the pool or not has to register and the lonely person gets to choose (or allow the government to make the choice because they know what's best for us) and the chosen one gets a mandatory arranged marriage. That's equitable.
But I'm not woke and think all of these ideas are insane.
I had a friend who was a school nurse at a local high school for decades. She had a number of students over the years who got pregnant and she would actually go to the home to talk to the mothers. She said every mother she gave the news to immediately said she would pretend it was hers.
Yes. And even more against surrogacy.
On what basis do you object to them?
Around 1980 or so. He was from Alaska.
My oldest sister was 15 when I was born. I heard later that some people thought that I might be her son. Although my birth certificate says my mom and dad are the parents! Sister was an alcoholic and would give me calls while drunk and would tell the same stories of her treating me badly when little and asking for forgiveness. (Stupid kids stuff - nothing bad). I imagine that if I was really her child she would have spilled the beans then!
And - I was a bit of a terror as a kid, if I really was hers my mom would have not hesitated to return me!
If one believes that birth begins at conception as I do, that is a problem.
We were discussing it at home and my daughter brought up the fact that the man provides the sperm into a cup - perhaps looking at a magazine. “How is that anyway to be conceived!? Yuck!”
Interesting on how some folks will spend so much effort and money to conceive a child. While others spend so much effort and money to make abortion readily available.
Adoption solves both sides of the moral issues that I have.
I would be interested to hear about NorthMountain’s issues with surrogates. I haven't thought about that at all.
What would Brando say?
IVF can be, and has been, done with a single embryo transfer. It’s just harder and more expensive. People have to decide what they believe and what they are willing to do.
I don’t think we know at what point a fertilized embryo becomes a human being. As regards Christian religious belief, I’m not aware of Jesus ever addressing the issue of IVF or artificial insemination - any more than He addressed space exploration, the development of nuclear energy, or any number of issues that modern science has presented.
It’s fine to believe what we individually do; but I think the Supreme Court made the right decision about all of these reproductive issues - they should be decided by the People, in the jurisdictions where they live. One person’s moral thoughts about reproduction is not necessarily shared by others; and everybody has a vote.
Surrogacy is a from of human trafficking. People basically buying and selling babies. With surrogacy, babies are commodities. Babies are taken from their mothers right after birth and given to the "parents." We don't even do that with puppies and kittens. Who knows what long-term psychological affect that has on these babies being ripped away from the women who carried them for nine months? Babies imprint on their mothers. There is an exchange of genetic material. There is a bond there that cannot be replaced.
It's a dehumanizing practice and the surrogate mothers are referred to in dehumanizing terms. Women in poor countries are being used by rich people (straight, gay, single men, etc.) to purchase a baby.
Risks are also higher in surrogacy pregnancies.
Surrogacy should be banned in my opinion. It's all about money for the surrogacy industry, not about children.
And I'm also against IVF. I think it's immoral. Science shouldn't meddle with human reproduction. It completely removes the human factor and has created multi-billion dollar markets (IVF, surrogacy, men and women selling their gametes) where the almighty dollar reigns and people and their gametes are products to be bought and sold on the open market.
Here's a good interview about it if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8L_CE3ehKI
In this case, the Grandmother did this out of Love. Do you think love is ‘dehumanizing’?
I believe that intention counts for a lot, in the mind of God. Jesus told us that it will be unto us as we have believed.
Your other issues have nothing to do with the story in this thread. Bad stuff goes on in the world, and good things are often put to bad purposes. But not every story like this, or about IVF or artificial insemination is ‘bad’.
Do people have the right to expect other women to provide babies for them when nature has said "no"?
That they are unnatural, and that IVF, as practiced in the real world, necessarily produces “spare” human being who are either deliberately killed or deliberately left frozen in liquid nitrogen because nobody knows what to do with them.
I don’t think the Grandmother did this against her will. Mothers will go to great lengths for the children they love; and I know lots of Grandmothers who have gone to great lengths for their grandchildren - including my own, who raised me.
If you learn differently about this story, let me know.
It's unnatural. It's treating people like livestock. It's treating babies as a commodity.
Now that is so much hogwash. Single embryo transfers are very common.
FR needs a LIKE button.
It doesn’t ‘necessarily’ create surplus embryos; again, it’s a matter of what the couple is willing to pay for and endure. And as the science progresses, it will be even more the case that the couple can opt for only one egg fertilized and used.
And all sorts of things are not ‘natural’. Do you think that someone should die of kidney disease instead of having a transplant? That’s not ‘natural’ either.
(Heck, even blood transfusions aren’t ‘natural’. I mean, who knows whose blood you are injected with? For all you know, maybe God doesn’t condone that you should live, if you need a blood transfusion...)
https://www.pfcla.com/blog/single-embryo-transfer-ivf
Single embryo transfer is the preferred and most successful method. Your “friend” knows so much that isn’t true.
Please educate yourself. Your anecdotal statements spread misinformation and are a disservice.
https://progyny.com/education/single-embryo-transfer-set-everything-you-need-to-know/
As practiced in the real world, it absolutely does.
You bring up organ transplantation ...
I have extensively studied that issue, for extremely personal reasons. I have come to so thoroughly distrust the organ industry that:
(1) I am not an organ donor and
(2) I will under no circumstances receive an organ transplant.
Death awaits us all (with nasty, big, pointy teeth).
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