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National Socialism Was Socialist
jellyfish.news ^ | Sep 30 | Lew Rockwell

Posted on 09/30/2024 9:26:27 AM PDT by RandFan

These days, supporters of President Trump and others on the right are often smeared as “fascists,” and what is meant by this is that they support the Nazis. For example, the historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat says: “To get people to lose their aversion to violence, savvy authoritarians also dehumanize their enemies. That’s what Trump is doing. Hitler used this ploy from the very start, calling Jews the ‘black parasites of the nation’ in a 1920 speech. By the time Hitler got into power in 1933 and translated dehumanizing rhetoric into repressive policies, Germans had heard these messages for over a decade.

As a historian of autocracy with a specialization in Italian Fascism, the use of the ‘vermin’ image got my attention. Mussolini used similar language in his 1927 Ascension Day speech which laid out Fascism’s intention to subject leftists and others to ‘prophylaxis’ measures ‘to defend the Italian state and society from their nefarious influences.’ But nothing could be further from the truth. The Nazis, as their name, National Socialists, suggests, were supporters of a centrally planned economy. Although Trump supports tariffs and deficit spending, he isn’t an opponent of the free market and favors measures such as tax cuts that help free enterprise.

As the great economist Ludwig von Mises points out, there are two kinds of socialism. One features overt ownership of industry by the government: the centrally planned economy of the former Soviet Union is an example. In the other, private ownership of business is preserved, but the government tells the ostensible owners what to produce and what prices to charge. Mises says in Omnipotent Government: “The German and the Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption…. The German pattern differs from the Russian one in that it (seemingly and nominally) maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets. There are, however, no longer entrepreneurs but only shop managers (Betriebsführer)…. The government, not the consumers, directs production. This is socialism in the outward guise of capitalism. Some labels of capitalistic market economy are retained but they mean something entirely different from what they mean in a genuine market economy.”

Later research has supported Mises’s account of the Nazi economy. One of the most comprehensive accounts of the Nazi economy is in the book by Adam Tooze, The Wages of Destruction, and Tooze confirms that the German industrialists had to follow the Nazis’ direction. Tooze especially draws attention to the importance of Herman Goering’s Four-Year Plan: “Businesses who were reluctant to follow the plans of the New Order had to be forced into line. One law allowed the government to impose compulsory cartels. By 1936, the Four-Year Plan, headed by Hermann Goering, changed the nature of the German economy.

On 18 October [1936] Goering was given Hitler’s formal authorization as general plenipotentiary for the Four-Year Plan. On the following days he presented decrees empowering him to take responsibility for virtually every aspect of economic policy, including control of the business media.”

Moreover, Hitler admired the Soviet economy, and the Nazis hoped to transform their kind of socialism into full-fledged central planning after the war. The Nazis did not reveal their intentions publicly, because during the war they needed the cooperation of business, but Hitler and other leading Nazis made their intentions clear in private. As Rainer Zitelmann, the foremost authority on the Nazis’ economic ideology, notes: “The National Socialists intended to expand the planned economy for the period after the war, as we know from many of Hitler’s remarks. As already mentioned, Hitler increasingly admired the Soviet economic system. And this did not fail to affect his views on the question of private property. ‘If Stalin had continued to work for another ten to fifteen years’, Hitler said in a monologue in the Führer headquarters in August 1942,

‘Soviet Russia would have become the most powerful nation on earth, 150, 200, 300 years may go by, that is such a unique phenomenon! That the general standard of living rose, there can be no doubt. The people did not suffer from hunger. Taking everything together we have to say: They built factories here where two years ago there was nothing but forgotten villages, factories which are as big as the Hermann Göring Works.’

On several occasions the dictator mentioned to his closest associates that it was necessary to nationalise the large joint-stock companies, the energy industry and all other branches of the economy that produced ‘essential raw materials’ (e.g. the iron industry). Of course, the war was not the right environment in which to implement such radical nationalisations. Hitler and the National Socialists were well aware of this.”

In his early years, Hitler was skeptical about the viability of Soviet-style central planning, but he changed his mind during the war. According to Wilhelm Scheidt, an aide who had access to Hitler’s private remarks: “Hitler’s admiration for the Soviet system is also confirmed in the notes of Wilhelm Scheidt, who, as adjutant to Hitler’s ‘representative for military history’ Walther Scherff and a member of the Führer Headquarters group, had close contact with Hitler and sometimes even took part in the ‘briefings’. In his post-war notes Scheidt observes that Hitler underwent a ‘conversion to Bolshevism’. From Hitler’s remarks, he says, the following reactions could be derived: ‘Firstly, Hitler was enough of a materialist to be the first to recognize the enormous armament achievements of the USSR in the context of her strong, generous and all-encompassing economic organization.’

Scheidt writes that in view of such impressions Hitler had recognised and expressed ‘the inner relationship of his system with the so heatedly opposed Bolshevism., whereby he had had to admit that ‘this system of the enemy was developed far more completely and straightforwardly. His enemy became his secret example’ The ‘experience of Communist Russia”, particularly the impression of the alleged superiority of the Soviet economic system, had produced a strong reaction in Hitler and the circle of his faithful: ‘The other economic systems appeared not to be competitive in comparison.’ About the impression of the rational organisation of farming in the USSR and the ‘gigantic industrial plants which gave eloquent testimony despite their destruction’, Hitler, says Scheidt, had been ‘enthusiastic’.”

In brief, National Socialism was socialism. Let’s do everything we can to protest against the way the lunatic left denounces decent Americans as “fascist.” It is brain-dead “President” Joe Biden and his gang of neo-con supporters, as well as his designated successor, “Cackling Kamala,” who are the real fascists.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; History
KEYWORDS: benghiatisanazi; hitler; nazis; ruthbenghiat; ruthisanazi; ruthisnotanhistorian; socialism; socialist
This is a banger of an article from Lew Rockwell (Ron Paul's former chief of staff) replete with historical references - in almost every paragraph!
1 posted on 09/30/2024 9:26:27 AM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Do you really mean that the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party (NAZI) was in fact Socialist just like in their Official TITLE?? Who would of thought...


2 posted on 09/30/2024 10:23:35 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: eyeamok

No way. Just like Democratic Socialism is not really socialism. /s


3 posted on 09/30/2024 10:36:34 AM PDT by pas
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To: RandFan

Here’s more.
This is not new information.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010512/posts


4 posted on 09/30/2024 10:56:52 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (This is not about hypocrisy, this is about hierarchy!)
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To: eyeamok

“National SOCIALIST German Workers Party”

The term “socialist” was just a sop for support from left leaning Germans. Hitler loathed socialism/bolshevism. The whole NAZI movement was propelled by post WW 1 antipathy toward the leftist/socialist/marxists running the Weimar government.


5 posted on 09/30/2024 11:55:54 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Bonemaker

Prussian Socialism predates, and has nothing to do with Marx, who appropriated the term.


6 posted on 09/30/2024 12:39:43 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: RandFan

Hitler adopted Marx’s theories to race. Blm is nazisms cousin.


7 posted on 09/30/2024 1:25:32 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: RandFan

The collectivist stooges try to ignore that.


8 posted on 09/30/2024 1:31:26 PM PDT by Cold_Red_Steel
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To: RandFan

Which is why Communists called them “Fascists”.


9 posted on 09/30/2024 1:32:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: eyeamok

It is not publicized, that the German Communist party actually facilitated Hitler rise to power.

in 1932, because of global depression, German people really suffered and were prone to vote for radicals.

Nazis gained like 34% of the vote, but president Hindenburg stitched a coalition government out of all non-Nazi parties.
That government we voted down by the Nazis and the Communists, who together held majority.
Hindenburg was still trying to stop Hitler, by calling new elections, with similar results, despite Nazis lost somewhat. Another non-Nazi coalition and another defeat by vote by Nazis and Communists!

If the communists just voted “present” once, Nazis would never gained power!

Check Wiki.


10 posted on 09/30/2024 1:40:08 PM PDT by AZJeep
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To: Bonemaker

Uh...no...

Hitler believed in GERMAN socialism. It was his view that socialism would be different in different countries.

What we call socialism and what Hitler considered socialism are different. He would have called ours American Socialism, which is different from British Socialism or French Socialism.

Much, but not all, of the difference was the level of nationalism and the pride in their heritage. Where American Socialism seems to reject traditional American values, Germany embraced their past and their sense of Volk.

Nazis would have proudly told you they were socialist and in the next breath expound on their hatred of communism.


11 posted on 09/30/2024 1:42:10 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Mr. Blond

Otto von Bismarck. Not so much socialism with regard to business and commerce but rather things like civil service, social security and health care system that persist to this day I believe without double checking. Took the wind out of pure socialisms sails.


12 posted on 09/30/2024 1:46:03 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Bonemaker

Or Oswald Spengler. Definitionally, the well-being of the volk. We would call it Social Nationalism, with our Norman syntax. But the midwit etymologists will never learn.


13 posted on 09/30/2024 5:13:57 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Mr. Blond

Intellectual are you?😀


14 posted on 09/30/2024 5:19:55 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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