Putin says a nuclear nation supporting an attack on Russia can be considered an aggressor

ABC News ^ | 9/25/2024 | AP

[higgmeister]

Putin says a nuclear nation supporting an attack on Russia can be considered an aggressor

Well Duh!   That is what some of us have been saying since this folderol started.   Will you Neocons ever listen?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

(((PING!)))

To be added to the zeeper follies pinglist, ping me bro... we need laughter!

[marcusmaximus]

Your Putin thinks he’s rocket man Kim Jong Un! Too funny!

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "Like this is spring training and he's signing baseballs for kids."

The politics is now clear. Putin is evil and Zelensky is a saint. Oddly, the saint is.... campaigning for Democrats.

Ukrainian President Zelensky Openly Campaigns for Dems in Battleground State, Harris Surrogate PA Governor Josh Shapiro Joins Him to Sign Bombs Gateway Pundit, 23 September 2024

Trump vs Ukraine's president: 'Zelensky is greatest salesman, wants Democrats to win' YNET, 24 September 2024.

Ukraine President Zelensky Campaigns for Kamala Harris in Pennsylvania Conservative Treehouse, 23 September 2024.

Trump says Ukraine's Zelensky wants Democrats to win U.S. presidential election Reuters via Globe and Mail, 24 September 2024.

Zelensky Attacks Trump and Vance to U.S. Media, Tours Ammo Plant in PA at Taxpayers’ Expense Breitbart, 23 September 2024.

Zelensky Trashes Trump and Vance, Signs Artillery Shells in PA Legal Insurrection, 23 September 2024.

Josh Shapiro and Zelensky visit artillery shell plant in Scranton, PA X/Twitter video clip, Jack Posobiec, 23 September 2024.

There are more than two positions to this mess, but it is imperative for the Democrats and the 'Democrat.adjacent' to deny a third or fourth view.

What one may observe is that the original poster also contributes to a continuing thread begun seven months ago, from 2/24/2024.

9/22/2024, 4:39:56 AM · 6,532 of 6,614 marcusmaximus to SpeedyInTexas; All

Vote Trump, at the minimum to dethrone the corrupt Democrats and irritate the fattened administrative state.

[higgmeister]

But I think a personal-sized missile on Putin would improve the world, and most of Russia would probably rejoice as well.

Do you really think that starting WWIII would be a good idea?   ¡Tú estas loco de la cabeza!

[exinnj]

Some FR contributors, well represented in this discussion should take it outside and not pollute the bandwidth with their “you-suck- no-you-suck” garbage.

[Vermont Lt]

It’s “Threaten Nukes Wednesday®️” in Moscow.

[Chad_the_Impaler]

The thing Putin fears most, more than death itself, is that Russians and history will view him as having been outsmarted and outmaneuvered. Using nuclear weapons would be like turning over the chessboard in a rage to avoid a certain defeat.

[Owen]

My God, this is so very dangerous.

Stop With The Telepathy.

No one knows what anyone thinks or plans or wants or fears.

This is all imagination.

[mdmathis6]

Yup...though Putin was the aggressor in this case and acting like a bully, it could be argued that a stronger nation backing a weaker nation’s attacks against another nation could be construed as also being attacked by the former mentioned stronger nation against the latter mentioned nation.

I don’t think there are any innocent parties oe nations in this mess...all parties have been tripped up by their own on upmanship smart aleckiness leading to a nuclear conflict “no one ever intended” should happen but now are seemingly in a mad rush to see it happen!(The Mad leaders at the tops of everything see such war, as if they would survive it, as a means to erase all debts and reset the world’s order.)

[mdmathis6]

Which he might do, feeling backed into a corner...just let the missiles fly...assuming his co-rulers and military generals will let him issue such orders.

[Who is John Galt?]

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "Stop With The Telepathy. No one knows what anyone thinks or plans or wants or fears. This is all imagination."

What is not imaginary is:

One observes the 'wiggle room' for a first strike. "As long as nuclear weapons exist, the fundamental role of U.S. nuclear weapons is to deter nuclear attack on the United States, our allies, and partners. The U.S. would only consider the use of nuclear weapons in extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States or its allies and partners."

Looking for any definition of "vital interests" yields only amorphous statements, as no official government document details "vital interests of the United States or its allies and partners."

"2022 Nuclear Posture Review Fact Sheet" - PDF from Defense.gov

Then there's this:

"Biden's policy declares that the 'fundamental role' of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is to deter a nuclear attack, but will still leave open the option that nuclear weapons could be used in 'extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States or its allies and partners,' officials told ACT. According to a March 25 report by The Wall Street Journal, this might include nuclear use to deter enemy conventional, biological, chemical, and possibly cyberattacks."

Biden Policy Allows First Use of Nuclear Weapons

"The policy signals that any U.S. president has the authority, without consulting anyone, to order a pre-emptive nuclear strike—not merely in retaliation if and when missiles start flying in our direction."

U.S. Must End Nuclear 'First Strike' Policy | Opinion

MAD as "mutually assured destruction" is the deterrant. When "first stirke" as a "nothing off the table" game is played, then the participants are playing as if they're in a "happily ever after" Hollywood Western and they're the ggod guys, not the dead guys. FR has its share of such sentiments: One read sometime back:

I would rather the world end in nuclear war than yield to Little Pukin.

15 posted on 10/12/2022, 7:02:03 AM by SpeedyInTexas (RuZZia is the enemy of all mankind)
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15 posted on 10/12/2022, 7:02:03 AM by SpeedyInTexas

Let's all step into the room filled with an inch of gasoline with our boxes of matches, and dare each other to go first. After a "first strike" by any side, there is no "do over," as this is not a game.

[If You Want It Fixed - Fix It]

You help one side in a fist fight, you have joined the fist fight.

[doorgunner69]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[marcusmaximus]

So Iran supplying attack drones and missiles to Russia makes Iran a combatant?

Same for North Korea?

[logi_cal869]

“Shocker” /s

[Brilliant]

Both Biden and Trump recoil in fear. That’s why Putin makes these threats. The proper response would be, “We have the A-bomb too. “

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Ramping up the WW III talk. Get the public ready for a big war, draft, rationing, War powers act to take out “Defeatists” like Trump. Jail him and all the Putin lover MAGA Hillbillies. Patriotism will flourish at the Harris Rallies! A few sanctions, a few air strikes with drone and Russia will fold up fast. Putin fears kamala and George Soros. He’s afraid to use nukes. China will side with us and take i/3 of Russia as its own. Peace in three months—in a brokered UN deal. Belarus and Armenia will join NATO—later Japan will join NATO and India too. NATO=the New American Empire that will span the earth.

[Hiddigeigei]

"But I think a personal-sized missile on Putin would improve the world, and most of Russia would probably rejoice as well."
A block-size missile hitting the White House would have the same ultimate effect.