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1 posted on 08/29/2024 4:29:02 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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Is the cost of green hydrogen even feasible?


2 posted on 08/29/2024 4:29:13 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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I am happy for a demo to be built in a small leftist town in Oregon that I will never go near. It would be a terrorist’s dream.


4 posted on 08/29/2024 4:50:20 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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The Big Lie of hydrogen is that it is zero emissions.

The by product of oxidizing H2 for energy is H2O- the MOST active greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. (Water vapor)


7 posted on 08/29/2024 5:10:27 AM PDT by Blueflag (To not carry is to choose to be defenseless.)
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In Chem 101 lab hydrogen was shown to be a colorless and oderless.


8 posted on 08/29/2024 5:13:25 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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There are many more “greenhouse gasses” than just carbon dioxide.

The most “potent” of the greenhouse gasses is water vapor.

When burning hydrogen, you will, necessarily, create much less carbon dioxide (great, I guess, for that “net zero” carbon energy goal). However, the impact on “global warming” due to greenhouse gas emissions will be much higher.


9 posted on 08/29/2024 5:22:03 AM PDT by steve in DC
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If leftists could only get over their CO2 phobia, they would realize that natural gas (mostly CH4, Methane) is the cleanest fuel we have.
Hydrogen may be "carbon clean" when it's finally used, but it's far from clean during manufacturing, transportation and storage.

10 posted on 08/29/2024 5:37:45 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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C]ontinuing to rely on natural gas is also not a viable option for addressing the climate crisis.

The assumption that a climate crisis exists is incorrect. Carbon dioxide is not the primary driver of climate. The Alarmists always proceed from a false premise, ensuring a predetermined outcome. Hydrogen is extremely corrosive and should be discarded as a viable energy alternative to natural gas. CH4 burns cleaner than coal and oil, providing a nearly unlimited, affordable, reliable, energy resource.


11 posted on 08/29/2024 5:39:20 AM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas


12 posted on 08/29/2024 5:41:03 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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Appreciate this post…and its comments are great reading.


14 posted on 08/29/2024 6:50:12 AM PDT by PsyCon
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Back in the late 60s-very early 70s Ryder System trialed hydrogen-fueled trucks. Didn’t work then...doubt if it would work now.


15 posted on 08/29/2024 6:55:20 AM PDT by ryderann
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Hydrogen embrittlement is a well known and common cause of failure of metals by cracking. It is so easy to generate metal failure by this mechanism that even the small electric currents of galvanic corrosion, the activity between two dissimilar metals, that in the presence of an electrolyte such as sea water enough hydrogen can be created in a small confined space to lead to cracking and failure. I have seen it in subsea applications many times.

Never get between a snake oil salesman and a government grant. They tell the likes of granholm that anything is possible if all the conditions are right and they seldom are. Now, another idea being pushed is compressed air as an energy storage media instead of batteries. Compressing air is exceedingly inefficient and they have to talk real fast to show it is possible on a large scale. Billions will be squandered on this fiasco.

By the way, the talk of drilling for hydrogen is silly, I have drilled wells all over the world for more than 40 years and not once did we find free hydrogen. Not once. BTW, if you find hydrogen you will know it. It has a very high flame propagation velocity. If it is not flowing extremely fast it will walk right back up the pipeline to the source. One of our cementing company's, without telling us their secret sauce used it as an expansive agent to block gas flow in wells. When we drilled out the plugs the hydrogen was liberated, was diverted to the relief line, ignited, the flames came right back to the rig and blew manhole cover off the MGS. Lucky nobody was killed.

A lot of these green goblins remind me of the Titan Submersible loon.

16 posted on 08/29/2024 8:16:17 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (More important than why there was nobody protecting the AGR roof, how did Crooks know that?)
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Just a by the way, something like 70,000 wind turbines now in place have a nameplate capacity for about 10% of electricity. DOE is not clear if this is nameplate as in 100% efficiency or the real 35% efficiency they actually yield. To replace the 20% of coal fired generation capacity remaining would take at least another 140,000 to 420,000 new wind turbines depending on location and efficiency. Most of the good locations are taken and then there is all the wire needed to move the power from where the turbines are to where it is needed.


18 posted on 08/29/2024 8:26:45 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (More important than why there was nobody protecting the AGR roof, how did Crooks know that?)
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I’ve seen hydrogen powered cars touted as “clean energy”, with only water as the emissions, but WHO wants to drive a mini Hindenberg down the highway?


19 posted on 08/29/2024 11:03:24 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (President Trump saved by DIVINE INTERVENTION. GOD CONTINUES TO BLESS AMERICA!!!)
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zero-emissions electricity future = zero electricity future


20 posted on 08/29/2024 12:48:42 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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