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To: NoLibZone
I think that having Senators popularly elected instead of being appointed by the state legislatures was a bigger problem.
4 posted on 08/15/2024 6:34:07 PM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: rdcbn1

Agree


8 posted on 08/15/2024 6:35:10 PM PDT by wiseprince (Me)
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To: rdcbn1

Bigger still was the income tax amendment.


11 posted on 08/15/2024 6:36:22 PM PDT by x
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I hear people say that, but I can’t believe it. The only conservative senators ever elected were elected by voters. If they were picked by state legislatures, we never get more than a moderate.


24 posted on 08/15/2024 6:43:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: rdcbn1

I agree. I think the 17th Amendment should be repealed. I think Trump did a great thing endorsing a return to the State Level of Abortion matters, because it is indisputable that is where this issue belongs.

One of the great things about our Constitutional Republic is that states can serve as laboratories where ideas can be tried out at the state level. If they work and people like it, they can move there from a state that doesn’t work.

The good ideas that cause state populations to grow increase their influence in government by gaining congressional seats, and those states that have bad policies lose population, and thus influence.

That system stopped working many many years ago, and I think the 17th Amendment that directed Senators be elected by popular vote (instead of selected by the state legislatures) removed much of the power from the states and made the experimental aspect of state-sponsored endeavors described above less of an advantage. It took power from the states and gave it to the Federal government.

So, yes. I agree.


30 posted on 08/15/2024 6:47:40 PM PDT by rlmorel (J.D. Vance and The Legend of The MaMaw of The 19 Loaded Guns!)
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To: rdcbn1
I think that having Senators popularly elected instead of being appointed by the state legislatures was a bigger problem.

The 17th ammendment gave up so much power to the federal government. Why did they allow that? Was it ignorance? It was very destructive to our nation.

There was not a universal right to vote when the colonies were first established. Not all men were allowed to vote. There were what was called 'freemen" and that title did not refer to slavery. Freemen were landowners who were considered good productive citizens. They were allowed to vote.

Now we have non-citizens voting. And we are giving $$$$$$ to non-citizens and non-productive people who live off of government money and the black market. We get what we vote for - and what the politicians decide to give us when they manipulate the votes.

56 posted on 08/15/2024 7:02:35 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: rdcbn1
#4: "I think that having Senators popularly elected instead of being appointed by the state legislatures was a bigger problem."

Bingo! Ding ding ding. We have a winner!

If Senators are elected, then what the hell is the point of a having a bicameral legislature? It offers emasculated protection from a rogue House. It turns the Senate into a pale shadow of what it is supposed to be: a check on a rogue House. An elected Senate is a profound fail.

62 posted on 08/15/2024 7:07:41 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: rdcbn1; NoLibZone

“I think that having Senators popularly elected instead of being appointed by the state legislatures was a bigger problem.”

I completely disagree. You think for a microsecond that the California or New York senators would be any different if the state legislature elected them?

Actually the worst amendment BY FAR was the 16th - the one that instituted the income tax. That more than any other has caused the federal government to become a bloated, centralized, despotic cesspool. Imagine how much smaller and how much less power the federal government would have without their ability to put a gun on your head and collect trillions.

The 19th, giving women the right to vote is definitely second on my list. Women have a lot of wonderful qualities, being leaders or selecting leaders in general are not among them. Their decisions are too emotionally based.


117 posted on 08/15/2024 8:00:22 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: rdcbn1

Agree!


280 posted on 08/16/2024 5:45:14 AM PDT by Reily
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