Posted on 08/09/2024 12:10:32 PM PDT by Angelino97
Microsoft's Outlook email is changing in September. You can no longer set your email program's Authentication Method to Normal Password. You must set it to OAuth2.
I'm having difficulty doing this.
My Thunderbird, fully up to date, allows me to set the Server Settings to OAuth2, but my Outgoing Server (SMPT) setting has no OAuth2 option.
Also, when I log into MS online, it wants to verify me. MS has my phone number, and my non-Outlook email (which forwards to my Outlook address). But though MS claims to have texted and emailed verification codes to me, I never receive them.
I have Windows 7. Is that a problem?
Might my VPN be the problem?
Right now, whenever I open Thunderbird, I get a message that it can't log into Outlook -- but only several times. After which it easily downloads my emails. But always at first there's that message, repeated several times, that it can't do it.
My Apple phone has no trouble downloading my emails from Outlook.
My questions:
1. Are there any Authenticator Apps or programs that I can use on a laptop, to help my Thunderbird satisfy MS Outlook email? All Authenticator Apps seem designed for use on phones.
2. Why am I having trouble receiving verification codes from MS? Amazon, PayPal, Google, and others, have no trouble sending me verification codes via my Outlook email or phone number.
3. If I must replace Thunderbird, what email program do you recommend? I don't want Outlook, but prefer a secure, open source program. One into which I can easily transport my old emails from Thunderbird.
Windows 7 could be a problem, as it’s part of team obsolete.
There are several authentication choices, if you are lucky, you can use the same for all. I'm stuck with Microsoft Authenticator, Duo, and ie.me, and more. Rather than avoid it, which is a losing battle, just do it.
I don't know if Windows 7 will be an issue, at some point it will be but you can use your smartphone or tablet. These authentications often use text, some even allow telephone call so they are pretty inclusive.
I'm on Windows 11 pro on all computers, iPhone and iPad with newest updates.
Email won't care, so far, but some services will require you install and use an approved virus application.
I'm not getting notices on my accounts, I have Apple, Outlook, and Gmail accounts for work, business, and school (volunteering). So maybe you are facing issues with the service provider you are using. You may need to read the details of what they wan't.
Lurking to see the answer for question #3
You could try using something like Roundcube or Horde.
Both are kind of crude/basic, but they work just fine.
Do you have a choice for who hosts your email? I'm using Gmail for personal and my company because no one blocks Gmail. I use through school and clients 365 and exchange emails because I have no choice.
Whatever email service you choose or are forced to use will determine your email application or browser to use. You'll still be stuck with authentication with any choice.
If you pick a host for your email recognize that they are shared services and you may get blacklisted because of their other customers. That is why I moved my email to Gmail.
On my computer, I use Microsoft Outlook and have since it came out. It is business caliber and works with Teams and everything else I do every day. That's a high bar not needed for a personal or throwaway email. I have other email that I only access via the browser, but they are not that important to me.
BTW, no matter what I choose, I have zero expectation of privacy. While I don't do anything illegal, if I did, it wouldn't be via email regardless of the provider.
Why would anyone even use a local desktop email client? Open that stuff remotely on a remote email sever and add that extra layer of isolation from your machine.
How can I get rid of Outlook altogether on my MAC?
A friend sent me OL on a cell phone (Not Apple) because Thunderbird was screwed up.
Every mail addresss I have looks like a pdf.
I don’t want OL for sure.
When you set Thunderbird for OAuth2, that's it. No more work required, and you don't have to use two factor authentication. And you can also use Outlook, everything from 2010 forward. Now, that said, there is a process that has to accomplished to do that, but it can be done.
I like to download all my email, so I have permanent copies on my hard drive.
Do you have a choice for who hosts your email?
Yes, but lots of people know my Outlook address. It would be a hassle to switch to Gmail, or whatever, and have to notify everyone. And perhaps miss some people.
I have other email addresses. But most people know my Outlook.
To have permanent copies of my emails on my hard drive.
And wickedly insecure
No offense, not trying to sound snide or rude, but that's my take on that.
Same here. I am a packrat on the computer and can retrieve emails I sent/received from the early 1990s. Cloud storage is only good so long as you keep paying, and free usually changes to paid. I’ve had one service company go bankrupt, losing everything on their servers, luckily nearly all backed up.
What would that process be?
How can you read emails created in the 1990s?
I have all my emails from the mid 1990s. Trouble is, I was using CompuServe for Windows as my email program. In the late 1990s, CS released a new program. So now I have two CS email folders, one for each program's emails.
I switched to Outlook in the 2000s, then to Thunderbird in 2005.
I could still run CompuServe Windows in Windows XP, if only to search and read those emails. But then Windows 7 came, and could not run CS for Windows.
So now I have four email folders. Two for CS, one for Outlook, and one created by Thunderbird. The latter is the only folder I can easily access.
I can't search the CS folders. I can only click a random email, then use Notepad to read it. Which I can, amid much garble.
I also have all my letters and other work created on WordStar, going back to 1986. I can read them with Open Office, but again, amid much garble.
I don't use cloud storage. When I bought my iPhone, I was surprised that it had automatic cloud storage. I deleted everything from my cloud, and switched the iPhone so there'd be no cloud storage.
Here I thought I was the only one who emails from the 1990’s!
Ummmm, well, I’m gonna have to dig out my old notes on that. Give me a bit to find them!
Bottom line, once you figure out how to make Thunderbird and/or Outlook do what you want them to do, it's just a matter of saving the webpages that helped you and any passwords you need to create. Good luck, and let me know if any of these help.
Outlook and 2-Step Verification for Gmail accounts
Accessing gmail from Outlook 2019, POP3 account, as a “secure” application
Authentication: Enabling Modern Auth (OAuth2)
Support for Google OAUTH in Outlook for Windows
P.S. I'm glad I keep these kinds of things saved!
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