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2024 FORMULA 1 ROLEX BELGIAN GRAND PRIX Live Thread
7/25/2024 | chode

Posted on 07/25/2024 7:08:16 PM PDT by Chode

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps

First Grand Prix

1950

Number of Laps

44

Circuit Length

7.004 km

Race Distance

308.052 km

Lap Record

1:46.286Valtteri Bottas (2018)

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: f1; formulaone; grandprix
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To: Chode

26 - 28 Jul 2024

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Spa-Francorchamps

Pos

No

Driver

Car

Q1

Q2

Q3

Laps

1

1

Max VerstappenVER

Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT

1:54.938

1:53.837

1:53.159

21

2

16

Charles LeclercLEC

Ferrari

1:55.349

1:54.193

1:53.754

22

3

11

Sergio PerezPER

Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT

1:55.139

1:54.470

1:53.765

21

4

44

Lewis HamiltonHAM

Mercedes

1:55.692

1:54.037

1:53.835

22

5

4

Lando NorrisNOR

McLaren Mercedes

1:55.582

1:54.358

1:53.981

24

6

81

Oscar PiastriPIA

McLaren Mercedes

1:54.835

1:54.136

1:54.027

23

7

63

George RussellRUS

Mercedes

1:55.353

1:54.095

1:54.184

22

8

55

Carlos SainzSAI

Ferrari

1:55.169

1:54.112

1:54.477

23

9

14

Fernando AlonsoALO

Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes

1:55.489

1:54.258

1:54.765

23

10

31

Esteban OconOCO

Alpine Renault

1:55.417

1:54.460

1:54.810

23

11

23

Alexander AlbonALB

Williams Mercedes

1:55.722

1:54.473

16

12

10

Pierre GaslyGAS

Alpine Renault

1:54.911

1:54.635

17

13

3

Daniel RicciardoRIC

RB Honda RBPT

1:55.451

1:54.682

14

14

77

Valtteri BottasBOT

Kick Sauber Ferrari

1:55.531

1:54.764

17

15

18

Lance StrollSTR

Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes

1:56.072

1:55.716

17

16

27

Nico HulkenbergHUL

Haas Ferrari

1:56.308

9

17

20

Kevin MagnussenMAG

Haas Ferrari

1:56.500

9

18

22

Yuki TsunodaTSU

RB Honda RBPT

1:56.593

8

19

2

Logan SargeantSAR

Williams Mercedes

1:57.230

8

20

24

Zhou GuanyuZHO

Kick Sauber Ferrari

1:57.775


21 posted on 07/27/2024 11:00:13 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Chode

26 - 28 Jul 2024

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Spa-Francorchamps

Pos

No

Driver

Car

Laps

Time/retired

Pts

1

63

George RussellRUS

Mercedes

44

1:19:57.040

25

2

44

Lewis HamiltonHAM

Mercedes

44

+0.526s

18

3

81

Oscar PiastriPIA

McLaren Mercedes

44

+1.173s

15

4

16

Charles LeclercLEC

Ferrari

44

+8.549s

12

5

1

Max VerstappenVER

Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT

44

+9.226s

10

6

4

Lando NorrisNOR

McLaren Mercedes

44

+9.850s

8

7

55

Carlos SainzSAI

Ferrari

44

+19.795s

6

8

11

Sergio PerezPER

Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT

44

+43.195s

5

9

14

Fernando AlonsoALO

Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes

44

+49.963s

2

10

31

Esteban OconOCO

Alpine Renault

44

+52.552s

1

11

3

Daniel RicciardoRIC

RB Honda RBPT

44

+54.926s

0

12

18

Lance StrollSTR

Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes

44

+63.011s

0

13

23

Alexander AlbonALB

Williams Mercedes

44

+63.651s

0

14

10

Pierre GaslyGAS

Alpine Renault

44

+64.365s

0

15

20

Kevin MagnussenMAG

Haas Ferrari

44

+66.631s

0

16

77

Valtteri BottasBOT

Kick Sauber Ferrari

44

+70.638s

0

17

22

Yuki TsunodaTSU

RB Honda RBPT

44

+76.737s

0

18

2

Logan SargeantSAR

Williams Mercedes

44

+86.057s

0

19

27

Nico HulkenbergHUL

Haas Ferrari

44

+88.833s

0

NC

24

Zhou GuanyuZHO

Kick Sauber Ferrari

5

DNF

0

* Provisional results. Note - Russell disqualified for an underweight car. Perez scored an additional point for setting the fastest lap of the race.


22 posted on 07/28/2024 11:18:27 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Chode

Maybe they forgot the heavier wheels were to be installed at the 2nd pit stop....... something to remember when you go one pit stop less....


23 posted on 07/28/2024 12:20:25 PM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Chode; AAABEST; al_c; arbitrary.squid; arderkrag; atc23; Augie; BBB333; Bad~Rodeo; bajabaja; ...

Belgian F1 GP 2024 Results: George Russell DQ’d, Lewis Hamilton Wins; Verstappen 5th

George Russell’s second win of the Formula One campaign was wiped from the record books due to an underweight car.
His disqualification moved Russell’s Mercedes teammate, Lewis Hamilton, up from second to first, handing Hamilton his 105th Formula One win all time. Oscar Piastri went from third to second, while Charles Leclerc earned a spot on the podium.
Russell held off Hamilton in Sunday’s Belgian Grand Prix at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps to claim the checkered flag. However, the FIA said 2.8 liters of fuel had been improperly drained from Russell’s car after he had originally hit the minimum weight limit.

WTF!!!


24 posted on 07/28/2024 12:43:34 PM PDT by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress!!!)
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To: Lockbox

LOL...


25 posted on 07/28/2024 12:48:52 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: mabarker1

it’s by me...


26 posted on 07/28/2024 12:50:33 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: mabarker1

Watching the cameras constantly showing Toto near the end, and he had ZERO level elation or happiness showing. It looked like he knew there was likely going to be some issue...


27 posted on 07/28/2024 1:29:24 PM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: mabarker1

I think they did it on purpose. Just to make Buttboi look good. Same as retiring Russell at Silverstone.


28 posted on 07/28/2024 3:31:30 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: wita
Second place would seem to me deserving of 20 points vice 15 and the next 13 places a corresponding reduction in points.

It's currently 25, 18, 15, 12, 10, 8, ...

29 posted on 07/28/2024 4:51:25 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: mabarker1

Aww, man... I just finished watching the race and turned the stream off pretty soon after the checkered flag like always these days.

Those last laps were great and I was glad to see Russel hang on. Bummer.


30 posted on 07/28/2024 4:54:21 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: mabarker1

dang- wish russel would have gotten it- is hamilton out celebrating his ‘win’? what a way to win-


31 posted on 07/28/2024 7:25:34 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Chode; AAABEST; al_c; arbitrary.squid; arderkrag; atc23; Augie; BBB333; Bad~Rodeo; bajabaja; ...
3.3 lbs...

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/40664612/george-russell-investigation-underweight-car-winning-belgian-gp

Belgian GP winner George Russell disqualified after investigation

Laurence Edmondson, F1 Editor
Jul 28, 2024, 12:28 PM ET

George Russell was stripped of his victory at the Belgian Grand Prix after his Mercedes car was found to be underweight after the chequered flag.

Teammate Lewis Hamilton was promoted to first place, securing his second victory of the season after his win at the British Grand Prix earlier this month.

Russell's car was weighed after the race and found to be at the minimum weight (798 kilograms), but after fuel was drained from the Mercedes, it was found to be 1.5kg underweight.

The matter was referred to the stewards, who determined Russell's car be disqualified.

"Car 63 was weighed on the FIA inside and outside scales with both scales showing the same result of 796.5kg," a stewards' statement said. "The calibration of both scales was confirmed and witnessed by the competitor.

"During the hearing the team representative confirmed that the measurement is correct and that all required procedures were performed correctly. The team also acknowledged that there were no mitigating circumstances and that it was a genuine error by the team.

"The stewards determine that Article 4.1 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations has been breached and therefore the standard penalty for such an infringement needs to be applied.

"Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits."

Russell won the race on a one-stop strategy, meaning he made a single set of tyres last 34 laps while others made an extra stop.

The physical wear of the four tyres can account for the car's overall weight loss over a long stint, although teams usually factor that into their calculations before the race.

Another factor unique to the Belgian Grand Prix is that the length of the Spa-Francorchamps lap means drivers do not complete a cool-down lap after the chequered lap and instead turn into the pit lane exit immediately after Turn 1.

The absence of a cool-down lap means drivers cannot pick up discarded rubber on their tyres, which is standard procedure after a race to help replace any lost weight.

"Heartbreaking. ... We left it all on the track today and I take pride in crossing the line first," Russell said in a post on social media after the race. "There will be more to come."

Speaking before the stewards' decision, Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff said his team would have to accept a disqualification if it happens.

"You have to take it on the chin," he said. "If the stewards decide against ourselves, it is what it is, a mistake has happened, or could have happened, and one-two would have been a great result going into the summer break. It wouldn't go any better.

"The positive, the very positive we can take from this race is we had two cars that were the benchmark in this race, with two different strategies. Who would have said that a few months ago? That is really good to see."

Asked if anything was damaged on Russell's car, which might have contributed to it being underweight, Wolff added: "No, I think it's a one-stop that ... you expect loss of rubber, maybe more, but it's no excuse.

"If ... if the stewards deem it to be a breach of regulations, then it is what it is, and we have to learn from that, and as a team, given there are more positives to take, for George, but that's a massive blow for a driver when his childhood dream is winning these races, then to be told it's taken away. But he's going to win many more."

32 posted on 07/28/2024 11:25:01 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo

Absolute heartbreak. I feel bad for GR, he ran a good race. Old man Hamilton will be happy to take that P1 trophy no doubt.


33 posted on 07/29/2024 5:00:35 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: Chode

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-russell-disqualified-from-belgian-grand-prix-for-underweight-car-as.2NIuo4cHgOl1LgplI

“Russell disqualified from Belgian Grand Prix for underweight car as Hamilton is promoted to winner”


34 posted on 07/29/2024 6:48:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Veeeery interesting.

1) IIRC there was a 70+% chance of a safety car - meaning significant fuel savings...this may have done in GR

2) Mrs. BBB333 thinks GR thinks looks like a space alien — well this is the hybrid era...


35 posted on 07/29/2024 7:14:10 AM PDT by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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To: Yo-Yo

so lulu’s car passed?


36 posted on 07/29/2024 12:55:36 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: BenLurkin

*


37 posted on 07/29/2024 12:56:39 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Chode

I wish I could find an in-depth story that says exactly what happened, but yes Hambone’s car was fine.

One thing that could be the difference (that was in the story I posted) was that Hamilton had a two stop strategy, so his tires had more rubber on them at the end of the race than Russell’s one stop strategy tires.

There was no cool-down lap where the cars normally drive around the track in the marbles picking up more used rubber on their tires to increase their weight. At Spa they crossed the finish line then immediately went the wrong way down pit road, no cool-down lap.

Also, I can’t find an article that explicitly says it, but it appears that Russell’s car weight was fine, but then the team drained the fuel tank before the “official” weighing, and was underweight because there was no fuel left in the car.

I don’t know that for a fact, however.


38 posted on 07/29/2024 1:29:30 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo

100%, that’s the way i read it too

“two stop strategy, so his tires had more rubber on them”

it’s just i hate lil-lulu getting the benefit... GGGRRRrrrr


39 posted on 07/29/2024 3:33:01 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Yo-Yo

Most shocking!


40 posted on 07/29/2024 7:37:19 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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