Posted on 06/24/2024 9:53:11 AM PDT by airdalecheif
Very sorry, but I would like to stop this debate now. It is going nowhere.
All the best for you.
You said ‘’The Allies imposed guilt on us’’. And now you won’t stand by what you said.
Thanks for conceding the argument.
Whatever you say. I know nobody who is not sorry for the millions of lives lost and I have nothing more to say.
I have mourned for all of them for decades, believe me.
Could we now finish this conversation? Please?
Sure.
Just admit you made an insulting statement.
Family members of mine barely survived putting an end to that horror all that long time ago.
They didn’t impose ‘’guilt’’ on anyone. The Nuremburg defendants were given their day in court, which is more that their victims ever got.
They ended the most wicked evil ever to walk the Earth and liberated a continent.
Admit to that and we’re good if not then I’ll leave you peace.
Yes, then I would like to apologize, from the depth of my heart.😢
And especially to you personally, and to anyone it may concern😔
Lord have mercy on all the poor souls lost! But I know they are not lost to Him😇🙏🏻✝️
They are all in His loving hands. All of them, your relatives, too. I know that, and I guarantee it.
That is the comfort for their descendants, who are living today.
„And ye therefore have sorrow, but I shall see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man shall take from you.“ John 22, 16.
Amen.
Amen. Thank and you and may The Peace of Our Lord be with you.
Thank you very much for those wonderful words, and may the Peace of the Lord be with you, too ✝️
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LOL!! I probably would have done the same but I could never get off that hill!
Sorry friend, I HAD my trip there. Don’t need, want, desire another!! Why do you think I said my brothers died there? Ever put a body of someone you know, spent time within the EM club, just sitting around and then tomorrow you put him in a body bag because some Cong wanted to earn more red stars from Uncle Ho? Been to the swamp once before, don’t desire to visit again!! I have no issues with those Vietnamese who came to this country to escape that place. Would you move to Gaza, Moscow, Terran, southside of Chicago? Naw, me either.
Thank you for your brother’s service. If he is still alive, we’re all getting old, tell him I said: “Welcome home brother.” I was in the 4th Infantry Division, An Khe, in the Central Highlands in 1970. A young, dumb, unprepared for what I was getting my fanny into. I was shocked at the lack of discipline there. It was as the war was somewhat winding down and they started to bring units home. Lots of people just wanted to leave. They are talking about having the draft again I read somewhere recently. Want work. Millions did not want to be in the military back then, how many would want to serve today, VERY, VERY, FEW!! I think it would be a debacle. It is a social mess now, good grief what would it be with more of them drafted to serve with the men and women who joined TO serve?
My brother was born in 1944, and growing up, all he'd ever wanted to be was a soldier. He was one of those kids that had tons of those little green soldiers, and spent most of his time in grammar school, drawing pictures of tanks, war scenes, etc., with Army stick figures. He was a terrible artist. He grew up on John Wayne war movies, and two of our uncles, one from each side of the family had come to this country as young boys...one from Canada, and one from Holland. They both enlisted in the Army in WWII, and both served overseas. Both came home, and both died younger than my brother. I was the baby, and barely knew my Uncle from Canada. The other died the year before I was born in 1947.
We all knew my brother would join the Army, we just didn't know when. He enlisted while I was still in high school, and got sent to Fort Dix initially. Once he completed his training, he got sent to Fairbanks, Alaska. He wasn't there long when they re-activated the 25th, and he was shipped to Hawaii for advanced jungle training.
I think he got disillusioned by the way the Vietnam War was being fought. He was seeing it in real time, not from a camera lens, and wrote home to me that: "This war is a joke, but no matter what happens, I'll be able to feel like I did my part."
He didn't really complain much in his letters. He was the type of guy who always tried to find the funny side of things, even if they were bad. In one of this letters he said it was a good thing the gooks can't shoot straight, but if he did end up getting shot, it would probably be by his own people. I don't know for sure, but he was probably talking about the air strikes that were called in on the enemy while his platoon was operating in the jungle.
About the only time I can remember him being disgusted with the Army commanders was when his platoon was repeatedly sent out on operations for days and days, and not being allowed to come back for a day, without being ordered right back out again. Since he only ever wanted to be a G.I., I figured things had to be pretty bad for him to say anything bad about the Army.
The other thing I know that bothered him a lot was that when he came home in March or April 1967, and was sent to Fort Carson to finish his last year of service, they told him he'd be training people in jungle warfare. He was looking forward to that, but it never happened. To this day I have no idea what he did for that year. He never talked about the war, or the service ever again. He was discharged as a Spec 4.
Memories of a past war do not contaminate the land. Attitudes do.
Your brother in my humble opinion was another causality of that war. If you’ll reread from the newest post to this article, you will see I have been in a conversation with a guy, Vietnamese I think by his name, concerning the war. He currently has a response back to me that I just read but have yet to reply to. You’ll see his comments. I could care less what he thinks. I know what I LIVED and lived the next 19 years in the Army with. He might not like it, but that is simply how it is. I just got off the phone with my best friend from the Army days. He is 75 years old, huge heart issues and other issues, all because of Agent Orange he walked through. He got tainted with that mess. He will be a casualty also in my opinion, whether he lives another 15 years or just another day. Vietnam did it to him. It will kill him just as it has killed so many Nam vets over the past 50 years, well after the darn war. Thank you for your comments and sharing your brother’s story with me. I feel like I know him. Thanks again. Danny
Friend, I could give a good thinkers damned what you think of my opinions. Read what the nice lady wrote to me about her brother who Nam caused his dead, well after the damned war. THAT and what I said to her is the reasons why I am what I am. I will carry that stinking Lyndon Johnson’s stinking Vietnam war, with me to my grave. Goodbye. We are done here.
You may be right. Regarding your 75 year old friend with heart problems, my brother had his first heart attack at 48, stopped smoking then and there, but died of a massive heart attack 3 years later. Nobody else in my family had heart problems. Everybody but me smoked. I was the baby. Both parents and a sister died of lung cancer. The oldest sister of a stroke. I'm the only one left.
I also often wondered if the reason it took my brother and his wife to conceive their first and only child 15 years into their marriage, was somehow connected to Agent Orange. He was told he had a low sperm count. That was the reason they adopted in the early years of their marriage.
Nobody that served in Vietnam came home whole. Same thing with all the wars Americans have fought in. The Vietnam War though, was unlike any other wars, except maybe for the WWII battles in the Pacific against the Japanese. I haven't read up enough on that theater of war to truly know, but I assume the engagements at Peleiu, the Marianas, and the Philippines were tropical/jungle warfare, similar to what you guys faced in Vietnam. The other thing is that in all the wars we fought before, we knew who the enemy was, and could identify them for the most part. In Vietnam that wasn't the case.
"I feel like I know him."
You do. All you had to do was look in the mirror, and see yourself, a patriot who loves his country, and was willing to defend it to the death.
I am also about the only one left in my blood family. Mom, Dad, two sisters all have passed away. I have an almost 87-year-old brother who is feeble and suffering with his nearly total memory loss. He is very slow these days. I will be 73 in a month, the “baby” of the family. My brother was the oldest. Lost one sister at 70 to cancer and the other last December at 81 due to heart issues. My wife and I are managing to hang tough tho, even if I did have had 16 surgeries since 2008!! Three backs, both knees replaced, both shoulders worked on, the right one twice and it is shot. So, I am a bionic man now with all these new parts in me. Back held together by screws and two rods on the spine. All damages from my uncle Sammy’s days.
16 surgeries since 2008...Yikes!! I thought I was bad at 4 surgeries in 5 years. Last one was 2015 for gall bladder. They couldn't do laparascopic surgery because of the other three abdominal surgeries I'd had, but all turned out well, and I was home the next day. And I was very fortunate in that I can eat anything, even a greasy burger, and it doesn't bother me.
Hopefully you and I won't have to undergo any more in the future. I have bad knees, a bad left shoulder, and lower back. So far I've been able to keep functioning with cortisone shots. The body manages to work...sometimes not so the brain. Take care and be well.
Yeah, I’ve had over 50 epidurals and not one of them gave me any relief. However, I was in pain management and that is how they make their money. If you won’t do those, no pain meds. I finally had enough of PM after 10 years and got off the stinking pain drugs, they didn’t work anyway. They had me on a morphine and oxy type pill and two Percocet’s 10-325’s every stinking day. My brain was half the time in a cloud. I took that pill under my tongue that gets you off meds like that. Took me only 6 months to be free of the darn things. Dr had said it would take a year. I have just learned to live with the pain of three back surgeries that left me with four fused vertebrae, two rods with 10 screws holding everything in place. I set off every alarm I get near I have so much medal in my back and knees! :-) Naw, I just have learned to live with it.
I know that feeling. After my first abdominal surgery in 2010 they gave me oxycodone, and after taking only one pill, I threw the rest away. I couldn't stand feeling like I had cotton in my head, and wanting to sleep every half-hour. They gave me scripts for the same crap with my other three surgeries, but I threw them out too.
I have spinal stenosis, and the first thing in the morning I have trouble standing up straight and walking. Once I'm up, and I sit down on the couch with my legs up for a while to stretch the back, I can function the rest of the day. I bought a new mattress set last year thinking it would help. It didn't. The only other time my lower back bothers me is if I have to stand for any length of time...like when I'm cooking. I have to take little breaks and go sit down for a short while in between. Walking isn't the problem for me, but standing in one place for too long is.
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