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“I Didn’t Even Know What The Godfather was”: Getting Cast as a Hated Godfather Character Was the Last Thing Diane Keaton Expected
Fandomwire ^ | JUNE 6, 2024, | Laxmi Rajput

Posted on 06/06/2024 7:10:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: irishjuggler

I was told that the character Andy Garcia played was aborted in the book.


41 posted on 06/06/2024 11:36:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about Michael’s kids. Yeah, you’re right. Lucy Mancini did abort Sonny’s kid in the book.


42 posted on 06/07/2024 12:20:44 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: nickcarraway

On a related note, I recall that Mario Puzo named the novel’s abortionist character Dr Jules Segal after his former colleague, fellow author Jules Siegel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Siegel

I do think that with the abortion storylines in both the novel and movie, Puzo was making the point that abortion was homicide analogous to the murders of convenience carried out by the gangsters.


43 posted on 06/07/2024 12:34:45 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Bullish
"The one thing I HATED about the absolute EPIC Godfather movies was the moronic Diane Keaton character. She played a whiny simp of a woman who I just couldn’t stand."

I couldn't stand the character (Kay), either, but Keaton must've played the role just as Coppola wanted her to. This site claims Mia Farrow, Blythe Danner, and Michelle Phillips (of the Mamas and Pappas) also were considered for the role.

44 posted on 06/07/2024 1:19:37 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: nickcarraway

My father is a Godfather aficionado who’s read all the books, the spinoff novelizations and anything else he could find. He claims that Kay had a miscarriage but told Michael it was an abortion to hurt him.


45 posted on 06/07/2024 1:38:04 AM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread”)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I agree with that 100% She played the part exactly as they wanted her to. I still hate watching all the parts of those movies with the whiny, rather stupid Kay character in them. That I got that kind of repellent reaction is probably just what Coppola and Mario Puzo wanted us to think about Kay. I read the book before I watched the Godfather and I don’t remember the Kay character being so hard to stand though. I think Diane Keaton in some ways brought that out in the movie.


46 posted on 06/07/2024 1:42:53 AM PDT by Bullish (...And just like that, I was dropped from the ping-list)
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To: Bullish
"I still hate watching all the parts of those movies with the whiny, rather stupid Kay character in them."

I always did, too.

47 posted on 06/07/2024 2:18:21 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Chode

Damn skippy… TWICE each day…


48 posted on 06/07/2024 3:06:50 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: nickcarraway
Fans have shared their criticism of the character calling her bland and uninteresting compared to the other members of the Corleone family.

Ridiculous criticism. She was playing a WASP, not an Italian-American. Very reserved, repressed, “bland” culture, perfectly expressed in her “naïve” comment to Michael. She nailed it.

Now who's being naive Kay

49 posted on 06/07/2024 6:40:15 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Dr. Sivana
the only abortion was Michael second son in Godfather II. Sonny's out-of-wedlock son has the conflict with Joey Zaza, and Michael's eldest son is the opera singer.

The abortion reveal came at the end of Godfather I. Sonny's out-of-wedlock son (played by Andy Garcia) and Michael's son's career as an opera singer don't show up until Godfather III.

50 posted on 06/07/2024 6:49:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: katana
Diane Keaton’s portrayal of Kay was the second weakest of any actor in any of the three films. First, and she only appeared in the last, was Sophia Coppola. No fault of her own. She simply wasn’t an actress.

The criticisms of Sophia Coppola were terribly unfair. She was the perfect Italian-American princess—a daughter, not a movie star—the second generation born in America and third generation living in America. Anyone expecting her to look like a Northern European princess or speak like a goombah's camare was off base -- her looks were on point, and her speaking voice and accent were typical of the third generation who were sheltered and privileged.

Diane Keaton's role in Godfather III was seriously undermined by whomever styled her hair and clothing. Both were ridiculous—the cheap brassy perm, the flashy satin fabrics, the gold colors—and entirely out of character. A woman of Kay Adams' background would have been wearing Ralph Lauren and have a sleek blow dry hairstyle. Not her fault; but most unfortunate.

51 posted on 06/07/2024 7:02:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: irishjuggler
Yeah, you’re right. Lucy Mancini did abort Sonny’s kid in the book.

Maybe Sonny went back for more.

52 posted on 06/07/2024 7:04:12 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: irishjuggler
I do think that with the abortion storylines in both the novel and movie, Puzo was making the point that abortion was homicide analogous to the murders of convenience carried out by the gangsters.

You nailed it. The storyline was deep; the trilogy was a significant piece of American literature, not just cheap entertainment.

53 posted on 06/07/2024 7:06:19 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde
She was playing a WASP, not an Italian-American. Very reserved, repressed, “bland” culture

Yeah, WASP culture is like that on TV and in the movies. In reality WASPs--an ignorant term, really--have as much culture as anyone else, and it's no more "bland" or "repressed" than any other culture, just different.


54 posted on 06/07/2024 7:12:47 AM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Albion Wilde
The abortion reveal came at the end of Godfather I.

Which version are you talking about, some TV reordering? The abortion is squarely in the middle of Godfather II. Sonny's out-of-wedlock son was conceived (I have heard) during Connie's wedding reception in Godfather I.
55 posted on 06/07/2024 8:23:39 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (Stormy Daniels is a McGuffin)
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To: Cinnamontea
it's no more "bland" or "repressed" than any other culture

I went to a prep school filled with WASPs for seven years. If you narrow the definition of WASP to include primarily upper-middle-class to upper-class, there is something there. Even in the pursuits of higher study or hedonism, they tend to be on the bland side. (Compared to the Jews, academic blacks, ethnic Catholics, lower economic strata folks)

This is not a bad thing. They did the work (or attended the parties, or played lacrosse); the Persians at the Prep school were more trouble than they were worth.
56 posted on 06/07/2024 8:33:13 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (Stormy Daniels is a McGuffin)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Nope! In GF I

https://godfather.fandom.com/wiki/Kay_Adams#Behind%20The%20Scenes


57 posted on 06/07/2024 8:33:58 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Dr. Sivana
they tend to be on the bland side

But what is bland? Is it just something you're used to seeing? Something you grew up around? I think so. There's nothing inherently bland about any culture, and nothing inherently rich or exciting.


58 posted on 06/07/2024 8:49:54 AM PDT by Cinnamontea
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Of COURSE some cultures are more bland than others. Just as some cultures are BETTER than others. Bland is not bad. I spent seven years in a prep school that was half-WASP, and grew up in Connecticut, which has plenty of WASPs.

I think of Harry Lime’s speech in the Third Man:

“Don’t be so gloomy. After all, it’s not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long, Holly.”


59 posted on 06/07/2024 9:00:52 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (Stormy Daniels is a McGuffin)
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To: Reily
Nope! In GF I

Your link covers both movies.

Here is a link from the actual SCRIPT for the Godfather II movie.

http://www.jgeoff.com/godfather/gf2/transcript/gf2transcript.html

Search on the word "abortion", and you will find the reveal there.
60 posted on 06/07/2024 9:06:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (Stormy Daniels is a McGuffin)
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