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Harassment of scientists is surging — institutions aren’t sure how to help
Nature ^ | May 21, 2024 | Bianca Nogrady

Posted on 06/04/2024 6:53:39 PM PDT by DoodleBob

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If you don’t know, microbiologist Siouxsie Wiles was “at the forefront of science communication in New Zealand during the COVID-19 pandemic.[23] With cartoonist Toby Morris Wiles created "Flatten the Curve", an animated GIF comic, for The Spinoff to describe how simple citizen actions could vastly reduce the death toll. The comic went viral and was seen worldwide. Called "the defining chart of the coronavirus"

And here is Hotez, who helped author a paper “ Effectiveness of vaccination mandates in improving uptake of COVID-19 vaccines in the USA.”


1 posted on 06/04/2024 6:53:39 PM PDT by DoodleBob
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well stop lying to us about man-made global warming and covid vaccines and we will stop harassing you!


2 posted on 06/04/2024 6:59:28 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: DoodleBob

How to help? Quit the bullcrap, quit the totalitarian mentality, and get your mouth off of the DC money nipple.
Basically quit being whores.


3 posted on 06/04/2024 7:01:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: DoodleBob

What a ham. The bowtie, the microscope. What a clown.

And what is this “science” where nobody is allowed to challenge or ask tough questions?


4 posted on 06/04/2024 7:05:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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It’s interesting that they don’t mention the harassment of scientists Dr. Kulldorff, Dr. Bhattacharya and Dr. Gupta after they jointly produced the Great Barrington Declaration that spoke to the harm of lockdowns, school and business closures, etc.

That harassment was AT THE HANDS OF THEIR PEERS like that jackass Hotez — and Fauci and Collins themselves!

But it only counts if its pro-vaxxers being taken to task.

May “Nature” and “Science” and “Lancet” and every other woke “science” “journal” totally crash and burn and go out of print. Society and real science will benefit greatly from their failure.


5 posted on 06/04/2024 7:09:15 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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Fauci and others have abused scientists who said lockdowns don’t work, the vaccines wouldn’t work etc. Back in the 80’s Fauci destroyed scientists who didn’t agree with him on AIDS.
You won’t read about that in this article.

Also, Fauci is not a scientist. You could get the impression that he is one from this Orwellian article.


6 posted on 06/04/2024 7:12:10 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: DesertRhino
They’re like this scrawny, punk bully.


7 posted on 06/04/2024 7:18:26 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s² )
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Here's Siouxsie Wiles, who changed her name from Susanna (I guess to be cool?):


She's a promoter of the so-called indigenous "science" of the Maori, claiming it's not less than Western (actual) science. Wiles was a prominent co-signer of a letter stating that "mistrust in science stems from science's ongoing role in perpetuating 'scientific' racism, justifying colonisation, and continuing support of systems that create injustice."

(Source: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/experts-shaun-hendy-and-siouxsie-wiles-among-those-rejecting-claim-maori-knowledge-isnt-science-as-scientific-racism/QQSKY6Y2CBP7ONYRXXL3VUUBN4/.)

She was also an active proponent of continued authoritarian lockdown policies — even though she was criticized for violating the restrictions herself.
9 posted on 06/04/2024 7:21:17 PM PDT by Alvin Diogenes
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To: Alvin Diogenes; Relic
SCIENCE ISN'T MATH.

It never was.

And it sure isn't now.

The history of science is littered with "no wait....that's wrong...THIS is right..." going through the rinse and repeat cycle endlessly.

And that's ok. Inquiry and challenge and "being a science heretic" is, in many ways, how mankind learns more and can fix more problems.

One of my favorite sagas regarding "accuracy" and "settled science" is ulcers.

In 1981 Barry Marshall began working with Robin Warren, the Royal Perth Hospital pathologist who, two years earlier, discovered the gut could be overrun by hardy, corkscrew-shaped bacteria called Helicobacter pylori. Biopsying ulcer patients and culturing the organisms in the lab, Marshall traced not just ulcers but also stomach cancer to this gut infection. The cure, he realized, was readily available: anti­biotics. But mainstream gastroenterologists were dismissive, holding on to the old idea that ulcers were caused by stress.

Unable to make his case in studies with lab mice (because H. pylori affects only primates) and prohibited from experimenting on people, Marshall... ran an experiment on ...himself. He took some H. pylori from the gut of an ailing patient, stirred it into a broth, and drank it....Back in the lab, he biopsied his own gut, culturing H. pylori and proving unequivocally that bacteria were the underlying cause of ulcers.

For their work on H. pylori, Marshall and Warren shared a 2005 Nobel Prize. Today the standard of care for an ulcer is treatment with an antibiotic.

But science isn't math. Your checking account balance is the sum of deposits less sum of withdrawals. Always. Forever.

The problem arises when people try to equate science with math...usually they call it "settled science." And, to be sure, robust inquiry and disciplined application of the scientific method usually gives you clear and distinct results. Then, science is settled...until we get new data or better techniques, and then we get "wait a minute..".

For example, there was a most excellent article posted on how "settled science" wasn't so settled, wherein:

seems that Earth has been misplaced. According to a new map of the Milky Way galaxy, the Solar System's position isn't where we thought it was. Not only is it closer to the galactic centre - and the supermassive hole therein, Sagittarius A* - it's orbiting at a faster clip.

It further noted other "errors" in SCIENCE:

A good recent example of this is the red giant star Betelgeuse, which turned out to be closer to Earth than previous measurements suggested. This means that it's neither as large nor as bright as we thought. Another is the object CK Vulpeculae, a star that exploded 350 years ago. It's actually much farther away, which means that the explosion was brighter and more energetic, and requires a new explanation, since previous analyses were performed under the assumption it was relatively low energy

The BIG problem arises when Certain Powers work overtime to suppress assiduous inquiry. Which, is what we had in 2020-2022.

In the interest of full disclosure, my "science isn't math" quote came from a post on social sciences, that featured this brilliant give and take involving a Harvard faculty member critical of Charles Murray from the original article, that is worth reprinting - it is with regard to the "certainty of SCIENCE":

"so why should we let someone teach social science that we know to be wrong in our social science courses?"

Because it is possible that you are wrong.
Science is not mathematics. Newtonian physics was wrong. And social science is a further three rungs down in certainty from science.

Your level of certainty and arrogance about what can be said, and probably thought, smacks of religion, and not science. This is a political religion that permeates academia at the moment. And which I am fairly sure you will swear does not infect you, while the rest of us can see the symptoms quite plainly.

Only religions ban heretics from speaking because of the wrong-think they might cause. Real science loves a good heretic. In fact, honestly, the entire goal of science is to be a heretic. To have an idea that no other person ever had. Science is the pretty much the antithesis of your thought-police approach.

And most of academia used to be the antithesis of your thought police approach as well, until the religion of leftism took it over, with the direct help of people like you.

11 posted on 06/04/2024 7:25:02 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s² )
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I am glad these “scientists” are getting some of what they deserve.


12 posted on 06/04/2024 7:27:04 PM PDT by EastTexasTraveler
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I am glad these “scientists” are getting some of what they deserve.

Indeed, Hotez and his ilk should be grateful that "harassment" and "threats" are all to which they've been subjected. What they deserve is far worse.

13 posted on 06/04/2024 7:33:12 PM PDT by DSH
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Hotez is a quack


14 posted on 06/04/2024 7:36:23 PM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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These left-wing postmodernists reject math also, along with truth and objective reality, as merely constructs of white colonialism.

It’s all part of their goal of bringing down Western civilization.


15 posted on 06/04/2024 7:43:16 PM PDT by Alvin Diogenes
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This from Nature - forced to retract 11,000 plus fraudulent 'papers' all on 'science'.

DILLIGAS?

16 posted on 06/04/2024 8:38:16 PM PDT by ASOC (This space for rent)
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well stop lying to us about man-made global warming and covid vaccines and we will stop harassing you!

You do realize that scientists in medical fields have little, if nothing, to do with the climate alarmists, don't you? And that those who are trying to scare the daylights out of you about taking a covid vaccine have been trying to get people to refuse vaccines for over 200 years now? What antivaxxers want is for infectious disease to once again be a major killer, like it has been through most of human history. They fearmonger about vaccines because they want more people to die.

17 posted on 06/04/2024 8:52:16 PM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If scientists stopped being political and stuck to just, science, there wouldn’t be a problem.


18 posted on 06/04/2024 9:06:25 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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I am not anti vax, I am against Covid hysteria!

Fauchi admits now that the whole 6 foot thing was bs


19 posted on 06/04/2024 10:22:32 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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Exactly. For smart people they sure are idiots.


20 posted on 06/04/2024 11:39:40 PM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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